AIBU to think women voting Reform are voting against themselves?

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AIBU to think that any woman voting for Reform is like a Turkey voting for Christmas?

the latest debacle - Rob Kenyon refusing to simply apologise for commenting on a disgusting post about Carol Vorderman’s areshole where he said “we’re all thinking the same thing”.

He was given the chance and chose instead to say “ I didn’t write the post” and “it was a long time ago”

Reform support him and say women are clutching their pearls at “mild tweets”. We all know from the many many threads on MN. That women face abuse every day and are most at danger from men they know. These men walk among us every day without us knowing. And if they feel so empowered to publically like a tweet saying they would love to lick a woman’s a*sehole or that women have abortions so they can “shag around” we all know that’s the tip of the iceberg in terms of their true thoughts. What about the Reform candidate who was convicted of kicking his partner while she lay on the ground outside a nightclub and Reform simply said “he’s done his time”

I attach a copy of what our dear friend Nigel wrote after the Sarah Everard case. Where was the energy he is giving for Henry Nowak? Oh wait because the perpetrator was a white man there was no opportunity to create tensions that suit his agenda.

IABU - women who vote Reform need to wake up, and fast

IANBU - I agree with Rob Kenyon and all the other things they have said against women (I’d love to hear why if you don’t mind)

I want immigration and our borders controlled -is it that too much to ask? - who should I vote for -despite the threat of a Reform Gov Labour are still unable to do that so I presume it’s beyond their capabilities

Yes totally agree.

What a ridiculous thing to say. It's absolutely not racist to say you want to control our borders.
The other parties are just tinkering at the edges.

Removed.

But aren’t we all judgmental? I’m actually a very open minded liberal and happy to debate pretty well anything with pretty well anyone.
I happen to think that both the far right and far left are both dangerous for this country and any woman or person of colour voting for Reform are incredibly uninformed and I just don’t understand why anyone would deliberately put themselves in the firing line.
But that’s just me, and rest assured that no egos will be offended by my judgements - I keep them to myself, as I do my own voting decisions.

Isn’t it great that women can vote for whomever they want though! Usually without being told they are dim (apart from on MN).

(And no, I wouldn’t vote Reform ever, but as much as it might stick in the throat, Reform is a legit political party)

It’s horribly insulting to assume they are stupid and uninformed. As if anyone who votes a certain way is evil or thick. How is that any better than the ones posting shit about women on SM?

MN was and is full of the same about Brexit. Yet people often virtue signal claim to vote directly against their own interests for the good of others

Why are so many women only pro feminism if other women do exactly the same as them? It’s an interesting thing.

Just because you disagree with something, it doesn’t mean the people with opposing views are thick or uninformed. And by painting them that way, you close down intelligent discussion, making them feel even more justified in their decision.

Where did you get that "fact" from, or is it just your opinion.

Yeah I am not sure how it is ‘fact’.
Isn’t it odd that the people purporting to be ‘kind’ and to care for others are the ones who are the most likely to insult those with different views?

In the areas I live, it’s the traditional Tory voters who are voting Reform. Hence the collapse of the Conservative vote.

And thinking about it , it’s also the traditional left wing voters like unionised workforces!

And I think for the same reasons , they don’t want to share what they see as scant resources with people living different ways of life that they don’t agree with

Your last paragraph sums up human nature

Dot fall for this propaganda folks.
Immigration last year was nearly 800k. Thats how many people came in.
Unfortunately the locals, mostly high earning, are leaving this utopia, making the net numbers look low.
But we are still bringing in nearly a million people a year. So much for cultural integration, eh?

Don't fall for this either folks!
The figure of 800k includes those on student and work visas and their families. These visas are time-limited and many, if not most, of those individuals will leave within a few years. We have control over how many of these visas the UK grants but both classes bring in benefits for our economy. With the recent restrictions for family members, these numbers are falling.
Its the Net migration figure that is most relevant.

I know! The irony!

Yougov has just published some analysis on Senedd voting. Quite interesting results:

It shows in statistics

https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/49978-how-britain-voted-in-the-2024-general-election

and it’s hardly a case of purely different views, is it? Reform wouldn’t get the following they have without spreading misinformation. Everything they say is twisted to make people unnecessarily scared or angry. It’s the most reliable tool of manipulation.

Plus, on social media, and those I’ve met in real life, actually, the vast majority of their voters’ lack of education/ lack of political knowledge sticks out like a sore thumb. It tracks.

The voting option is wrong.

Reform has only recently grown to this size as a party. Some areas that were Labour for years are switching so you’ll get people who used to vote for them who now don’t.

Not everyone can have a degree nor do they need one. They still get a vote. Plus many are realising they fell for Labour’s lines and manipulation hence switching.

The Senedd analysis I posted is current and shows similar patterns, in terms of Reform voters, as the data Teanbiscuits33 linked to.

How Wales voted at the 2026 Senedd election https://share.google/vfOeFYBUh0YuskGom

The attacks on those lines are misplaced. So what if people don’t have a degree and do other work. Their vote means as much as those who mistakenly feel above.

How can it be simply a case of ‘’different views’’ if people are basing those views on lies being spread by reform/GB News? You can’t make informed choices without correct information.

All reform use is lies to create fear and anger, the two biggest emotions that hijack any rationality and make people act certain ways.

Listen carefully to the language being used by them. All negativity, and all the sort of thing that makes you think think they will be a saviour. If you don’t vote for them, Britain’s over, it’s the end! (creating a sense of urgency, last chance saloon). The sort of language that makes people feel threatened and victimised. ‘’Anti white, two tier policing’’, ‘’invasion’’, ‘’white people are the biggest victims of racism’’.

It’s a calculated con.

’’Different views’’ comes from largely accurate information (yes, I know all political parties lie to a degree), but simply disagreeing with that same information, such as how taxes should be spent etc.

I just think it’s ironic that women were considered unsuitable to vote for so many centuries and now other women seem to have the same attitude towards anyone who doesn’t agree with them. I judge that attitude far more than someone voting for what they believe in. People with differing political viewpoints are capable of being armed with the facts. And in any case they still have the right to vote.

It was the same attitude towards anyone daring to admit voting Tory in previous elections.

Presumably the only people who should be allowed to vote are those who vote labour/lib dem or nationalist parties?

You do realise that intelligence isn't just about qualifications on paper don't you? The definition of intelligence is cognitive ability to require knowledge, apply skills, reason and adapt to new situations.

Now I have more qualifications than my husband on paper, but hands down he is more knowledgeable than me on certain things. He does brilliantly in general knowledge quizzes but his spelling and grammar aren't great, so who would you class as more intelligent?

I've also seen university students argue categorically that a transwoman is a woman. Now that to me is being thick.

I understand intelligence is more than on paper, yes. I don’t think you’ve quite understood my post. The lack of knowledge and education shows in life also, and Reform would not get the support they do if people were better informed. That’s why they are so anti intellectual as well.

Insults seem the last line of defence with this. But I don’t think it’s correct. All voters are swayed by party lines.

Every Reform voter I’ve ever met seems pretty poorly informed about a lot of things and is very politically unengaged, using talking points that are quite obviously lifted from GBN or some shit Farage said that might sound great but is bullshit with loads of holes.

I’m not the only one either. Why is that?