AIBU to think women voting Reform are voting against themselves?

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AIBU to think that any woman voting for Reform is like a Turkey voting for Christmas?

the latest debacle - Rob Kenyon refusing to simply apologise for commenting on a disgusting post about Carol Vorderman’s areshole where he said “we’re all thinking the same thing”.

He was given the chance and chose instead to say “ I didn’t write the post” and “it was a long time ago”

Reform support him and say women are clutching their pearls at “mild tweets”. We all know from the many many threads on MN. That women face abuse every day and are most at danger from men they know. These men walk among us every day without us knowing. And if they feel so empowered to publically like a tweet saying they would love to lick a woman’s a*sehole or that women have abortions so they can “shag around” we all know that’s the tip of the iceberg in terms of their true thoughts. What about the Reform candidate who was convicted of kicking his partner while she lay on the ground outside a nightclub and Reform simply said “he’s done his time”

I attach a copy of what our dear friend Nigel wrote after the Sarah Everard case. Where was the energy he is giving for Henry Nowak? Oh wait because the perpetrator was a white man there was no opportunity to create tensions that suit his agenda.

IABU - women who vote Reform need to wake up, and fast

IANBU - I agree with Rob Kenyon and all the other things they have said against women (I’d love to hear why if you don’t mind)

Dumbarse post.

To be honest, most people who vote reform unless one of Farage's mutli-millionaire cronies, are voting against themselves, their family and community. But if people choose to vote based on soundbites, uncosted policies, chancers in it for their own gainengraved whilt releying on pure rhetoric then there is very little that can be done.

Farage and his his type identified a huge demographic of unsatisfied and economically worse off voters following Cameron's austerity cuts. Other parties have been (badly) trying to placate them ever since. The Brexit referendum and its legacy have created a massive division between voters which has become quite nasty. No one seems able to come back from this, so it is all 'woke left' and 'gammons on the right'. The arrogance of Cameron playing with all our futures and his subsequent legacy is astounding. The narrative that all the UKs problems are not due to chronic underfunded of services since 2012, increasing privitisation of services and utilities (which have made a selecte) few very rich is not the problem. No it is small groups of mainly vulnerable people who have caused this is has become an engraved view for many voters.

It’s not just Reform though, is it? I don’t think that women benefit from voting for any of the major political parties currently available to vote for.

I wouldn’t vote Reform in a million years. But let’s be realistic here, the other parties aren’t much better as far as rights for women and girls. Quite frankly, if the Monster Raving Looney Party were still running, they’d get my vote at this point, as I’m so sick of having to wade through bullshit to determine which party is the least worst.

I imagine the poster lived in Dubai legally and did not enter the country illegally.
Most objectors to 'immigration' mean illegal immigration.
Not as clever as she thought.

Sorry- loads of typos but hopefully still makes sense?! I do not expect people to necessarily agree with me, why should they?

But all the facts and information is out there from non-biased sources. There was lots of research pre-Brexit clearly showing how damaging this would be (leaving the biggest free trade block in the world) which was easily accessible with a simple Google search .

The same remains true now around immigration figures (most of which is not actually illegal -asylum seekers are not here illegally and their lives are pretty grim, linited access to services/benefits and l2ft in limbo they cannot work and contribute). When you drill down into it, we are talking a tiny percentage of the population. The right wing media bias really does make people feel it is a bigger issue than the reality.

Brexit has actually made managing illegal routes into the UK more challenging because we are basically by ourselves now. The UK has historically taken fewer asylum seekers than many of our neighbour's, although within some communities I can understand the legal migration of other nationalities whilst in the EU caused division.

I just wish people would arm themselves with the facts before making sweeping statements and calling those who do not agree inflammatory names (both left and right). For a basic start, learn the difference between legal and illegal migration and asylum. As a parent of a mixed raced child, with older generations on both sides having fled persecution and then settling and contributing to the UK, it really upsets me to see how frightening and upsetting the increasing lack of tolerance towards others is for them.

Now maybe I’m stupid. Possibly.

But I don’t see the problem with a few unis going bust tbh. There are so many pointless degrees now it’s a farce.

Keep uni for the big ticket essential degrees and move everything else to college if it’s needed and if it’s really Mickey Mouse bin it entirely.

More learning on the job again and progressing during your work life to get the hands on and book skills for your work if possible.

Exactly!
I genuinely dont mind a sensible conversation about immigration, controls integration etc

But we have to realise the impact on sectors of cutting immigration, recognise the benefits and balance the argument sensibly
And get rid of the hate filled vile rhetoric!
And until they do that, I will think poorly of those who vote reform
Not all all racist by any means, misogynistic etc
But you are voting with people who most certainly are, giving them more voice, marching with TR and saying its fine
I do judge that. Not for being "thick " but for having low standards

Just out of interest, on the news this morning they said the government had no idea how many people were still living here after being refused asylum. They also couldn’t be sure the numbers were accurate about how many people were arriving in boats….
its not about colour. We all know we have a problem now with illegal money laundering through corner shops and barber shops and nail salons. A lot of these are Turks and Albanians.
In reality we do have a problem.
But no government seems to be able to sort it.

What is going to come after Reform?
Because if Reform are our next government, they won't be able to deliver what many of their voters want. They want no more immigration. They want affordable housing, safe streets, good services including a greatly improved NHS, cheaper living costs, a decent wage if they're working, and they don't want to pay any more tax or have their own benefits cut.
How is it ever going to be possible to deliver all of that?
So when that doesn't happen, and people realise they've actually ended up with pretty much the same and have lost more than they've gained, especially if they're on benefits. What is going to happen then do you think?

This says it all.

I dont either
Dont agree with everything you say but broadly yes, if (big if) there is a robust alternative for young adults eg solid appretiships, then reduc uni places. But in a managed way otherwise it will be chaotic for all
So not just a blanket close the borders and send them all home crap
Immigration has a value!

I nearly did the same until I read to the end.

OP has got that the wrong way round so will probably affect the voting a lot!

What do you mean?

In the last paragraph of the post I originally responded to, you said if Reform can't deliver where do people go, and its what comes after that's the problem. I'm saying I think its a valid question as I don't think Reform would deliver, and asked you what you thought would come after.
You then told me I should be concerned about the here and now, which seemed to contradict your earlier comments about the future.

@ me 🙂

Hopefully what comes after Reform is a realusation that we need much, much better quality elected representatives bringing competent Governance. The calibre of our politicians has got to improve. Labour and the Tories must do better. Do we need to encourage, nurture and protect political talent? Do we need to identify and promote candidates who we think would do a good job? Or do we continue with the perpetual disappointment of career lobbyists, researchers, trade unionists and political activists?

I mean, it is on the BBC's website. And in plenty of other places.

However, if people only inform themselves via Nigel Farage's TikTok account, then they probably won't know. It is difficult to understand why people don't look for the answers themselves sometimes, but we have to accept that some people are just happy to be told what to think.

Labour do loads of SM. From multiple accounts. It’s just not very good and gets negative comments mostly.

Pretty much this. I know we shouldn't call people stupid, but at this point what else do you call them? They're either stupid or evil or a combination of the two.

Oh yes. I know that everyone’s vote is their own business but I might seriously rethink my views on people, including friends, it I found out they vote Reform.

And actually ditto if they vote Green 😳

And that is why people should keep their voting choices to themselves.

You could also argue that full-time workers voting for Labour are voting against their own interests. Voters stuck are between a rock and a hard place. If I lived in Makerfield, I would rather see Reform take the seat than Labour hold on to it. That's a statement I never thought I would ever utter!

What Andy Burnham is doing is disrespectful to voters. Constituencies should be decided by the people who live there, not by politicians with little interest in the area using it as a stepping stone to the "big job".

The residents of Makerfield deserve better.

They'd probably be relieved to be honest. Who would want to be friends with such a narrow minded judgemental person.

Yes, agree with this.