AIBU to think women voting Reform are voting against themselves?

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AIBU to think that any woman voting for Reform is like a Turkey voting for Christmas?

the latest debacle - Rob Kenyon refusing to simply apologise for commenting on a disgusting post about Carol Vorderman’s areshole where he said “we’re all thinking the same thing”.

He was given the chance and chose instead to say “ I didn’t write the post” and “it was a long time ago”

Reform support him and say women are clutching their pearls at “mild tweets”. We all know from the many many threads on MN. That women face abuse every day and are most at danger from men they know. These men walk among us every day without us knowing. And if they feel so empowered to publically like a tweet saying they would love to lick a woman’s a*sehole or that women have abortions so they can “shag around” we all know that’s the tip of the iceberg in terms of their true thoughts. What about the Reform candidate who was convicted of kicking his partner while she lay on the ground outside a nightclub and Reform simply said “he’s done his time”

I attach a copy of what our dear friend Nigel wrote after the Sarah Everard case. Where was the energy he is giving for Henry Nowak? Oh wait because the perpetrator was a white man there was no opportunity to create tensions that suit his agenda.

IABU - women who vote Reform need to wake up, and fast

IANBU - I agree with Rob Kenyon and all the other things they have said against women (I’d love to hear why if you don’t mind)

The visa situation does need to be changed. UK Skilled Worker visas are given out far too easily, and for many jobs that UK workers could be doing. If you look at the list on GOV.UK just about any job you can think of, there’s a visa for.
Some really batshit things on there too such as mystery shoppers, newsagents, knitters, social media influencers, and bloggers are all medium skilled. But chemical laboratory technicians and aerospace technicians are also medium skilled?

I’m regularly in London, and the vast majority of hospitality staff and shop workers are foreign. It’s really annoying considering the high levels of youth unemployment here, and all of the young people who are struggling to find work.

The country has voted for over a decade to curb immigration. Politicians have done the exact opposite. So why wouldn’t they vote Reform.

The established parties think the voters are stupid, as do the smug leftie self righteous people in this thread.

If people want change, how do they get it. If Reform can’t deliver it, where do they go? Clearly Tories and Labour aren’t going to deliver it. Thats how civil unrest happens. It’s not Reform that’s the problem. It’s what comes after Reform.

Oh God, another 'everyone who disagrees with me is Hitler/stupid'. How unusual.

What exactly does 'immigration sorted' look like?

The vast majority of non-white people will already be British citizens, or will have indefinite leave to remain, or visas supporting their working in this country sponsored by their jobs. So how will you tell that immigration has been 'sorted'? Because I suspect you're going to be very disappointed when nothing changes, but we lose the NHS and many of our hard-won rights just because you thought your problems were down to people who weren't born here.

You can't rely on the NHS half the time now tbh.

What is going to come after Reform?
Because if Reform are our next government, they won't be able to deliver what many of their voters want. They want no more immigration. They want affordable housing, safe streets, good services including a greatly improved NHS, cheaper living costs, a decent wage if they're working, and they don't want to pay any more tax or have their own benefits cut.
How is it ever going to be possible to deliver all of that?
So when that doesn't happen, and people realise they've actually ended up with pretty much the same and have lost more than they've gained, especially if they're on benefits. What is going to happen then do you think?

I don't know where you live, but in London a family friend runs a number of care homes. He gets literally zero British applicants for the roles. Zero. That's why they bring people in otherwise there literally wouldn't be the staff to change the bedpans, bring the food, all the work that needs doing to look after people.

This thread was about asking people not to vote for Reform. In what way do you think your comments will persuade this poster to do this?
Or did you think you were being clever?

That's exactly it. A lot of what Reform promise sounds like a utopian fantasy. But it's just that - a fantasy. They might be able to reduce the (very small) number of illegal immigrants by taking some pretty draconian steps.

But the 800,000 that people on this thread are worried about - no one has a plan to reduce that number because to reduce the number of NHS workers we bring in we'd need to train more nurses ourselves (£££ + time), to reduce foreign students we'd need to hike tuition fees even more for home grown students or else unit would go bust (unpopular) and if we started telling our investment banks and tech firms they couldn't get visas to bring in the best international talent there'd be a revolt and that's the sector that is supposed to be the future of our economy.

Comments like @OneTealShaker about lefties totally misses the point. Massive bussing in of cheaper labour is absolutely NOT a leftwing thing. It's a right-wing model based on maximizing profit by bringing in people who will accept rubbish wages. Of course it would be way, way better to be in a position where we don't need big numbers of people coming in because we have people in this country who will 1) do the hard jobs like fruit picking and 2) gain the qualifications like nursing where we have shortfalls. But no government seems willing to fix those underlying problems by encouraging people to train as nurses (by paying them properly) so we're stuck in this cheap drug of bringing people in.

I'm aware of what the thread was asking. I can read! You seriously cannot criticise me for making a comment which was slightly off topic, when I was responding to a post doing just that.

None of that is being delivered now. Are people supposed to go ‘oh ok then, we’ll just keep putting up with what we have now rather than trying something new’?

What’s going to happen then is a later concern. Can you not see that what happening now is the immediate concern. That’s how chronology works.

You don't think it's a bit ironic that a person who is concerned about immigration would move to a place chock full of immigrants who famously don't integrate with the locals?

Why would he get British applicants when they can live for free on benefits.

The answer is not to give away more free money and bring in people form
abroad.

@Katypp evidently lacks critical thinking skills so i wouldn't worry.

Well i confess, i did think what was happening now was the immediate concern. But you said its not Reform that's the problem it's what comes after. Which contradicts that a bit.

Well... maybe. But the problem is if someone's spent their life on benefits, maybe left school with no qualifications etc, they can't just get a job as a doctor overnight. We could maybe get these people who have never worked and force them to train in certain skills, but that would cost money. Like, a lot of money. And if you're in Middlesbrough where there are very few jobs, moving to London where there are lots of jobs is also pretty hard. You need rent of a few months upfront (£££) which is hard to save if you're on benefits. Again, if we genuinely wanted to tackle immigration we'd have to think about fixing these problems first like helping people with relocation costs (subsidized loans maybe?). But that would involve spending a load of money upfront and waiting years until all these people got qualified and off benefits and moved to places with jobs.

But the problem is the likes of Reform don't acknowledge that this is what it would take.

So if you don't like someone they deserve to be sexually harassed online?

It's the sheer hypocrisy.. Voting Reform to presumably "stop immigrants" then being one themselves.
Whoops, sorry I forgot - it's different when "we" do it.
Call ourselves expats or whatever. You're the bloody same 😂

Corrective sexual harassment. That'll teach women not to get on people's nerves.

Historically, people vote with their purse/wallets/bank accounts.

Regardless of any other policies, people tend to vote for who will help with their finances. 😉

There is a Christian Church in Dubai?

https://www.eccdubai.org/?ved=2ahUKEwifyfq5ufCUAxXTVKQEHftRLFgQgU96BAgnEA0

I wonder if @champagnePicnic actually lives in Dubai as they seem to think that people aren't allowed to practice Christianity there or open Chtistian churches.

I imagine she does live in Dubai. It would be absolutely par for the course for a British immigrant in Dubai to have literally no knowledge of the place, culture, language or history of the place given most of them seem to spend their lives in walled compounds with other Brits and at infinity brunches drinking champagne.

when I moved to Dubai (legally) I was expected to fit in with their culture. If I had gone over there as a Christian and wanted to open a Christian church I’d have been thrown in jail

No @champagnePicnic you would have been told to apply for a licence.

Apply for a License to Establish a Place of Worship for Non-Muslims - Ministry of Community Empowerment https://share.google/KXcHwBNKPtbBfGYcj