AIBU to think women voting Reform are voting against themselves?

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AIBU to think that any woman voting for Reform is like a Turkey voting for Christmas?

the latest debacle - Rob Kenyon refusing to simply apologise for commenting on a disgusting post about Carol Vorderman’s areshole where he said “we’re all thinking the same thing”.

He was given the chance and chose instead to say “ I didn’t write the post” and “it was a long time ago”

Reform support him and say women are clutching their pearls at “mild tweets”. We all know from the many many threads on MN. That women face abuse every day and are most at danger from men they know. These men walk among us every day without us knowing. And if they feel so empowered to publically like a tweet saying they would love to lick a woman’s a*sehole or that women have abortions so they can “shag around” we all know that’s the tip of the iceberg in terms of their true thoughts. What about the Reform candidate who was convicted of kicking his partner while she lay on the ground outside a nightclub and Reform simply said “he’s done his time”

I attach a copy of what our dear friend Nigel wrote after the Sarah Everard case. Where was the energy he is giving for Henry Nowak? Oh wait because the perpetrator was a white man there was no opportunity to create tensions that suit his agenda.

IABU - women who vote Reform need to wake up, and fast

IANBU - I agree with Rob Kenyon and all the other things they have said against women (I’d love to hear why if you don’t mind)

Sadly to vote to leave the EHCR is the equivalent of identifying as a turkey and voting for Christmas.

I know right! Nothing says feminism like assuming women are too stupid to vote

Why is it unfeminist to say women who vote Reform are stupid, but fine to call left wing women snowflakes? I mean it's pretty offensive to stereotype women as overly emotional and too fragile to handle opposition just because they are left wing. From the match girls to Dagenham and beyond, left wing women have proved thenselves to be anything but. Feminism is rooted in the left.

„Sadly to vote to leave the EHCR is the equivalent of identifying as a turkey and voting for Christmas.“

@NorthXNorthWest - I don’t know if it is even possible because of the Good Friday Agreement, but haven’t looked into the exact details. However, from a legal perspective withdrawing from the international agreement does not equate to not having our own version of the Human Rights Act. We know from continuing trade with our neighbouring countries that a lot of standards and regulations have to stay the same anyway.

You're being ridiculous!

If Anne Lister was alive today and highlighted publicly that she was exclusively attracted to women, she’d run the risk of being banned from Pride marches as other lesbians have been, so I’d say it’s quite respectful of her life and sexuality to take that flag down.

can you explain your answer please.

The issue is the damage which is done whilst people fight to prove they can't just do what they want.

All I know is that Switzerland who are signatories to the European convention on human rights did try to pass laws to send foreign criminals back home and that was a breach, if the expulsion was a too blanket catch all. I think in this day and age of mass immigration it would be better if all countries agreed reasonable parameters for the Convention. Because the right wing are using it to further their agenda across various European countries.

They want to repeal the Equalities Act, repeal the right to abortion, repeal the worker’s right act, renters’ right act and lots of health and safety legislation so cut so called red tape. All they have is racism to replace it. Small boat crossing is down 40% this year, net migration is at its lowest since 2012. But most people believe immigration is at its highest level which is the fault of the right wing media. 13 job Farridge has nothing to offer you apart from grift.

Yes, certainly.....if you look at Iranian women 40 years ago vs today, I fear this could be us. I believe should the green party get in, or labour continue running the country, eventually we'll have a Muslim PM which over the years will result in us eventually living under a regime.

May sound far fetched to you but as I've said look up Iran. It's happened to them, nothing to say it couldn't happen here too in 20, 30 years time.

Women would then be second class citizens, living in oppression with zero rights. I don't want that and I'd rather continue voting for right wing parties to ensure it never happens.

Far fetched to the point of stretching credulity. A tiny proportion of current MPs are Muslim and most of them are women. The last time there was a possibility of a Muslim PM was when Savid Javid stood for leadership of the Conservative Party. Don’t let facts get in the way of your Islamophobia though.

And you thinking voting Labour, Conservative or Green is any better. They all lie anyway & NEVER do what they promise. At least Reform want to protect their own, maybe they don't always go about it right but ask your self why is the NHS on it's knees? Those coming in to the country illegally are using the resources the UK people have paid in to for years & we don't benefit from it like we used to. Reform recognise this & aren't afraid to speak out again it. That's just the tip of the iceberg. I don't agree with everything they represent but I do appreciate they are wanting to look after their own first then others if we can afford to, which at the moment we can't & yet we're still expected to pay out & look after ILLEGALS.

Iran has been a Muslim country for hundreds of years. You are comparing apples with bananas

Can you explain exactly how you think the UK could become like Iran? The religion of the PM has nothing to do with the religion of the country. The PM hasn't got the power to force a particular religion on the people.

ILLEGALS don't get anything from the government. If they did, they wouldn't be ILLEGALS🙄.

why is the NHS on it's knees?

Covid, an ageing population, rising obesity rates. It would cease to exist altogether without immigration because it would have no staff.

They have a shortage of doctors in France and Gernany too. But they aren’t spending extra on the huge admin burden of stalling people unnecessarily like they do here. Delays actually cost both in terms of admin time but also increase spend on health as it deteriorates. Moving to preventative and people taking more responsibility actively for their own health cannot come soon enough. There is no excuse for excess drinking smoking terrible diet and no exercise. But sadly for a lot of people they develop those habits in childhood and also stress at work and cortisol helps nobody either, neither does crap housing

Where are we on the Islamophobia proposed laws? As surely that is going to backfire massively. Has it been parked?

There are no Islamophobia laws being proposed and there never has been.

Always worth remembering that when Richard Tice, Reform's second in command, was questioned about James McMurdock's conviction for repeatedly kicking his girlfriend, he said he did not believe the victim's account.

Tice claimed there was a "major discrepancy" between McMurdock's version of events and what had been reported. He said: "I think that what he says is right. He was there. The court wasn't there. The Times weren't there," and went on to say that "it doesn't actually matter" because he was "trusting James."

So there you have it, straight from the horse's mouth. Reform chose to place more weight on the account of a convicted abuser than on the testimony of the victim, testimony that was accepted by a court of law and led to a conviction.

But yeah, they're definitely a party that will help woman 🙄

Again the assumption that women are too stupid to access this kind of information. The issue with the left is they assume all others are cruel or stupid instead of acknowledging that people vote a different way to them.

It would be great if any party gave a shit about the rights of women and girls but they don’t.

And it would be great if discussions could be had about borders without people on both sides losing their shit but they can’t.

Shutting people down because you hold them in such contempt does not work

have a tea and a sit down dear. If you think immigration is the root of all problems in the UK, then maybe you need to read a book on economics and see what Brexit, Austerity, the global banking crisis and years of Tory underinvestment in the economy, the selling off of our assets and utilities, the squandering of oil revenue, the productivity crisis caused by underinvestment due to instability, the years of incompetence and the problems of introversion and reversion to a nation state geopolitical equilibrium as well as the wars (both cold and hot that we have joined into) that have caused the world. If you are so blinkered to the demographic transition to an aging population and the inherent problems that this will cause to the NHS, the economy and society, I feel sorry for you. You get what you vote for.

How in any way is the post you quoted "shutting people down?"

This is stretching incredulity to the point of insanity. Stop watching GBNews/facebook and try and get informed as to what is really going on in the world. You do know that Reagan had an agreement with the Ayatollah and supported the Islamic regime because he thought this was a foil against the communists, he also armed the Taliban to fight the Soviets which is why we have the mess in Afghanistan. He supported the Saudis spreading their very conservative form of Islam Wahhabism as he thought that religion would pose a stop to secular communism prevalent in Afghanistan. The issues that we are seeing are all formented by a shortsighted US regime. See what is happening in the US and this is what you want in the Uk?

The poster wrote about the incident and then followed with a patronising little eye roll.

The majority of posts on this thread have a definite sense of superiority over the intelligence and opinions of others.