To think amount of Roma and Traveller children withdrawn from school underage needs to be cracked down on?

[Jane379]

Two things have made me think about this.

One was the recent thread on Venezuela Fury, Tyson's daughter. Her situation appears slightly different as apparently she did receive tuition online but it made me look into the wider situation.

I know there has been improvement, and that many Roma & travellers families don't do this. But it shouldn't be allowed in the first place. Yes, some who do may homeschool their kids properly, but how many?

There needs to be more regulation of homeschooling.

Why do Roma & traveller kids often slip through the net? Is it sometimes linked to families moving around so children move from one LA to another?

There' nothing wrong with kids preferring to pursue technical options than academic, or living the travelling lifestyle. But school would give them a chance to choose.

As is mainstream Anglo American culture. Or ... Wait ... Is Prince Andrew a traveller??? And Donald Trump????

Law shouldn’t make exceptions based on ethnicity , religion or culture ! No 2 ways about it !

Every time there is a thread about travellers, the traveller women commenting are incredibly disparaging about non travellers and how their parenting is shit and their children are a bad influence.

of course if it was the other way round, it would be considered bigoted and racist

We have travellers in our local town at the moment (the fairs are on). I bloody wish the children were in school. They cause so much damage and make a lot of locals fearful. Three separate unprovoked attacks this weekend alone in the town centre (not late at night) where traveller boys attacked other teens just walking past.

I was in the main shopping area when 2 shops had to be temporarily closed because 4 young traveller boys were causing so much chaos (about 10 years old).

Not dissimilar in that sense to the Henry Nowak case or why the Rotherham (and other towns) pedophile ring wasn't taken seriously - the is fear of offending or being seen as racist.

By dropping out of school ?

I definitely think that goes both ways. Traveller women being abused and uneducated and not having any idea of all the choices they should be ensuring their daughters get so they don't end up trapped in this awful misogynistic community too.

Wouldn't it be nice if we all just acknowledged that all cultures have work to do in how they treat women, and that all mums are you against a lot of difficulties (even if the nature of the difficulties varies depend on your culture)?

Parents have to prove they are doing some form of education at home though…. as it normally falls to the mother and that mother has never been educated, how are they meant to educate them properly at home?

Yes you’re racist, there’s 1001 crimes committed by people of all nationalities but you are focusing on only brown people crime.
You need to realise it’s MEN that are the common denominator in most murders and rapes.

Travelling show people are fairground people.
Totally separate from travellers or Roma or circus.
I would be surprised if fairground people just randomly attacked other teenagers.

Can I ask what area you live in?

This thread makes me uncomfortable. I feel like I woke up in a North Korea camp for state dissenters.

I don’t think it’s an even argument because anyone saying the nasty comments about travellers gets deleted for racism but it’s okay the other way round.

Where I live there are high numbers of traveller. A range of big settled sites and meant pass through. Here they tend to do primary - good attendance then not go to secondary instead joining the family business if a boy and staying with mum if a girl. There are exceptions. I worry about the women in the community and the health and life outcomes but actually these children do better than many of the kids I work with. They are from far more chaotic families with fewer prospects of work. Many of them are home schooled now and it’s way bleaker. Schools are seeing highly vulnerable children removed at unprecedented rates.

There is a sizable Roma community where I live and one of my friends who teaches says that the girls tend to vanish from formal education at around age 11, they do not go to secondary school and are expected to stay at home to cook and clean. Seems such a waste of talent and ability , the boys stay a bit longer and tend to have better English and be a sort of "spokesperson" for some of the familiies. A lot of abscences trigger visits from the attendance officer and possible safeguarding measures but the families tend to move around and as such "disappear" . My address was actually used by a Roma family so they could avoid the authorities, I had a visit from School Attendance and several letters trying to track down a young girl who had been registered as living at my house! i sometimes think about her and wonder how she is doing.

@Canoodler Who checks that this full-time home education is being provided and what does it look like?

Be careful OP!

Romany gypsies and Irish travellers are protected under the equality act 2010.

They are largely hated and discriminated against within society and hugely misunderstood.

There are many ways to learn, school is not the right place for everyone.

It is down to the parents to decide about school or home education and that should be the same for both travellers and non travellers.

I also wonder what makes you think you are a good judge of what ‘homeschooling a kid properly’ looks like as you do not have to follow the national curriculum.

They dont have to engage with any local authority checks if they dont want to. thats the same law for all of us.

Exactly all of this and I do support home
schooling but agree it needs to be monitored so these poor children dont slip through the net.

Who knows. There has been massive changes in Ireland over the last 20 years, most travellers finish secondary school now, a few reasons, the school liaison officer will be at your door and escalate it to the SS and the Garda, you have to go through social services in order to home school, so you cannot just say you’re homeschooling, if you have valid reasons to homeschool then it’s okay as long as you have the means to teach your children. Many older travellers don’t have the level
of education, children’s allowance payments is also linked to the school, it’s not perfect, children slip through the net but overall most travellers go to school until they’re teenagers.
A small number are attending university and colleges too.

It’s an issue because they move around so arent kept track of.

Wow these threads ...they almost exactly follow the pattern of the rise of nazism...anti Pride today, making a single murder represent all Sikhs and now the Romas....all the same targeted groups for condemnation and otracisation.

Never again anyone?

Where does targetting whole groups with a single opinion lead do you think?

With lots of posts about 'they must conform to our culture'. Some people are far down the road of hate led thinking.

Totally sickening ...they come for women next and its already here with anti abortion, extra taxes for childless women and household voting 🤢😔

People should not be allowed to home school unless they can prove their qualifications to do so, and the home circumstances checked. I cannot understand how the present situation, where parents can just do this without checks, is allowed.

@Allseeingallknowing I guess the argument to that would be that "learning" isn't always about formal education. So, for example, learning how to clean an oven is an education of sorts.

So are travellers.

https://travellermovement.org.uk/gypsy-roma-and-traveller-history-and-culture

An interesting resource for anyone who cares to look.