To be totally APPALLED by how Robinson referred to Henry Nowak in his “speech” in Southampton on Tuesday?

[Whereismyjoiedevivre]

I’ve just seen a clip of this in a Guardian article on the main agitators in Southampton on Tuesday.
TR refers to Henry Nowak in this way: “White privilege?! Does Henry swear word beginning with F Nowak look as if he had white privilege when he was lying on the floor?”
He then smirks as he looks down, clearly proud of himself for delivering such an eloquent speech [sarcasm].
I’m beyond disgusted by how the name of this beautiful young man, who has lost his life in the most brutal way, was used in such a disrespectful way in order to rouse a rabble and boost TR’s ego.
AIBU to say that over the last two days TR, NF and their ilk are really showing us who they are and what motivates them?

Ah, honestly. Good luck to you.

This IS a political issue. How on earth can people not see that?!

Politicians are absolutely right to talk about it. And yes that includes Farage and people like Tommy Robinson.
This is what you get when you put feels before reals.
Hurty feelings before reality.

I feel terrible for Henry Nowak's family but I'm afraid to say their wishes have to be ignored on this in order, hopefully, to prevent more deaths.

It's typical though of the left to focus on the wrong things and of course to a swear word.
In fact telling people that they should focus on his family's wishes seems to me to be emotional blackmail.

The world is not nice, we can't all get along.
Frankly, some people need to grow up and realise this.

BTW, why isn't Starmer taking the knee?
Oh yes because it's not a cheap political gesture about a country (USA) he has no control or responsibility for.

It 100% happened. I find it hilarious, that you are so naive. This would have been circa 2005, but still.

I agree with this. He used fucking in the wrong place.

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OMG, what did I just read?

If you don't agree with me, you must have a low IQ and no job?

Wow. I see narcissism is alive and well. 😂😂

I think this is a great post.

We have a massive issue with racial profiling in this country (and others).

Some people are implying that the BLM movement was wrong but this is different etc when they’re all about racial profiling.

We know that black and mixed raced people are much more likely to be arrested, treated poorly and convicted of a crime compared to a white person.

People have been shouting about racial injustice for years and all of a sudden people like TR and his followers are saying it’s an issue when apparently it’s never been an issue before - hmm wonder why 🤔

But I don’t think they racially profiled Henry.
Henry’s race wasn’t the issue and the officers were white too.
It was the race of the other person that was the issue.

If the murderer was white then they wouldn’t have jumped to that conclusion but because he was brown (and Sikh), they assumed that he was a peaceful person.
Henry was also acting less calm (for obvious reasons) whilst he was calmer.

We don’t have an issue with white police officers being racist to white people in this country, which is what others are suggesting.
But there is an issue with racial profiling.

The police force have an issue with profiling in general.
Look at how many autistic men are in prison.
Even if both parties were white, if one was a traveller it is statistically more likely that he would be seen as more guilty.
If someone was covered in tattoos, they would be seen as more guilty etc.

We have a massive problem with racial profiling and profiling in general in the police force and I’m not sure why TR and his supporters are trying to do a them vs us approach, when we’re all saying the same thing.

Yes, he could have transferred the "fucking" to white "fucking" privilege. However, that wouldn't have given the OP a juicy thread. So many on the left, who scrutinise every word Robinson and Farage say without listening to the context in which they are saying it. I certainly related to Farage saying millions are going to turn against the police and he is right. They will do if they feel they are the victims but white people don't have that right without being called racist.

You don't understand the point being made in this thread at all, do you?
The thread is not about whether SYL 'has a point'.
The thread is not about whether swearing is wrong.
The thread isn't about whether a lot of people swear or not.
The thread is about whether it's disrespectful to take the name of a deceased person and split it in two with a swear word. So that rather than referring to Henry Nowack by the name he was given and known by in life, the people who care about Henry havecto hear the likes of SYL add a swear word to his name as though it's his middle name.
That's all this thread is about. Whether this is OK or not. Do you think it is?

Where did I say if you don’t agree with me you must have a low IQ and no job.

Sounds like you’re projecting.

She said "statistically" - and yes "statistically" it's true.

The same with Reform voters, they're more likely to be jobless and (I'll be polite here) uneducated (according to the YouGov poll) which is incredible as those are among the first people a Reform government will well and truly shaft.

Of course thats what you were implying, dont be so disingenuous.

No I’m giving statistics and common sense.

If you don’t believe me that TR will get less support on this thread this evening, come back to it and see for yourself.

Ali Yusuf, Head of Reform's Policy, wipes the floor with most political commentators. Are you calling him uneducated?

So you're saying Mumsnet is left wing led? You'd better tell all the people that who insist it's right wing!

And I think we may find they’ve got into a habit of thinking

Muslims = bad Asians (as NF, SYL and the rest of them like to argue)

Sikhs and Hindus = good asians

I bet we could find evidence of NF and co citing “oh we’ve got no problem with Sikhs, they’ve been here for ages etc” if we look (and we should!)

This isn’t an academic essay or professional communications, so I didn’t carefully review my words before but I wrote what I instinctively feel.

Let me clarify.

As Henry lay dying on the ground, he wasn’t believed by those entrusted to protect us. When he begged for help, none was given. Instead, he was dragged and handcuffed, which may have worsened his injuries and sped up his death. If police hadn't handled him in that way, who knows, maybe his parents would have had the chance to say good bye.

His was arrested and rights were read to him after he had been stabbed 6 times and then taunted and bullied by Digwa while dying. The Digwas as a family denied him help and any chance of making good what their evil son had done (disgusting, lying family).

Henry was surround by police but no one competent, compassionate or with common sense supported him in his final moments.

Because someone cried racist wolf falsely, and given that the Hampshire police are trained to avoid any accusations of racism at all costs, there was a bias against Henry and in favour of the Digwa family.

It’s clear that the Digwas exploited this system, which is wrong and unjust. The police receive training to deal with unconscious bias but it is actually creating new bias in police work, not fairness and equality.

Hampshire & Isle of Wight Constabulary has its own Race Action Plan for 2024-2026, which explicitly states that it supports the national plan and includes commitments such as:

Being an anti-racist organisation.
Understanding the history of policing minority ethnic communities.
Training officers in cultural awareness.
Reviewing racial disparities in police powers and outcomes

The Hampshire training course called Inclusion Matters and covers topics such as racism, unconscious bias, privilege and allyship. Media reports say that some officers felt pressured by aspects of the course.

The police historically has a problem with racism and sexism and addressing racism is important. I have been on the receiving end of racism but these training programmes are not fit for purpose. They are shallow, divisive and informed by contested identity politics. It weakens social cohesion, is unacceptable and we must insist in change to actually support a diverse society.

Other than Farage and his cronies no one will touch this with a barge pole but they are drawing attention to it and unfortunately in the process winning political ground. Plus ça change.

Oh look!

RTFT

Your point?

"Mohammed" (I can't imagine why he hides that bit) Zia Yusif isn't a Reform voter - well be probably does but you know what I mean.

No, Farage & Yusif etc definitely aren't thick, I wish they were - when Farage used the term "cold rage" - it was smart of him, he knew most of his supporters wouldn't know what that means and just hear "rage" and go rioting, when confronted about inciting a riot he can say "I said cold rage, it's not fault they misinterpreted". When people call Farage thick they're being disingenuous, he definitely isn't - those that aren't millionaires that support him though.....

I notice that you haven’t actually answered my question.

No one has said that white people can’t “speak up for” other white people. That’s a complete straw man.

Mark Nowak has called for an “full, fearless and transparent investigation” and for the government to invest in knife crime prevention. He also said that he didn’t want his son’s death “to be used to create further division, hatred or tension”.

Do you think a violent riot in Southampton is what Henry’s family wanted or that it will get them the answers they deserve? Or that it will lead to a review of police DEI policies and ensure that if changes are needed that these will be made and rolled out to all staff? I think the riot was nothing but a hindrance. The police already knew that they messed up and that people are horrified by their treatment of Henry.

The non-white person had previous for carrying weapons?

Once again, as has been said many tines, the power is out of the hands of the Nowak family. Do you naively think people are just going to say OK let's see what happens when they know this WILL happen again? What is it the left always say: two things can happen at once. People can be acknowledging of a family's request whilst also knowing action needs to be forced. This is a massive wake up call for parliament.

No thank you. I have no wish to read the inarticulate ramblings of a bunch of right wing ranters, and theres far too many of you on here to have to step over. The OP asked a question and I'm interested only in the answers to that.