To be totally APPALLED by how Robinson referred to Henry Nowak in his “speech” in Southampton on Tuesday?

[Whereismyjoiedevivre]

I’ve just seen a clip of this in a Guardian article on the main agitators in Southampton on Tuesday.
TR refers to Henry Nowak in this way: “White privilege?! Does Henry swear word beginning with F Nowak look as if he had white privilege when he was lying on the floor?”
He then smirks as he looks down, clearly proud of himself for delivering such an eloquent speech [sarcasm].
I’m beyond disgusted by how the name of this beautiful young man, who has lost his life in the most brutal way, was used in such a disrespectful way in order to rouse a rabble and boost TR’s ego.
AIBU to say that over the last two days TR, NF and their ilk are really showing us who they are and what motivates them?

No need for education when I can just drive a tractor through your words and worn out phrases. BLM was and still is used for political gain and fraud. Not all of it but it isn't the holier than though movement you paint it to be. If you want to get personal by lumping me in with commentators such as TR and NR I will say you are to blame for the loss of value that the word racist now has. You are also to blame for the race card that has brought the police to where they are now at. Instead of hard core policing, the hierarchy has pandered to liberals like you. Nothing wrong with the public seeing that, acknowledging it and acting upon it.

Both of these statements can be true at the same time.

And it's irrelevant whether the Police could have saved him - we only know that now after the autopsy - but they didn't know that then, and they didn't even believe him, because a brown man was telling them different.

Hopefully all the family will also be jailed, they have perverted the course of justice in a murder case and deserve hefty sentences.

Just leaving this here. I doubt people will take much notice. But still.

The director of the Independent Office for Police Conduct, Derrick Campbell, said: “We are acutely aware of the public interest in this case. We would respectfully ask people to stop speculating on an ongoing live investigation.

“This investigation is going to fully establish the circumstances of the case including whether there may be misconduct on the part of any of the officers involved.

“The ongoing commentary about the evidence and speculation risks prejudicing any potential processes and preventing Henry Nowak’s family getting the answers they deserve.”

Good points.

I’m offended by TR or SYL full stop.

Yeah, because people with different opinions from you cant have jobs 🤣

Good post, it does look like the police have got their act together AFTER they discovered how badly they fucked up, but the general discussion about diversity culture and it"s negative effects on policing isn"t going to go away, in fact I would say that this tragic event will be noted as the moment Labour definitely lost the next election.

I don’t believe you.

In certain circles the word fuck and other swear words are used for emphasis, not in a pejorative sense.
This is quite well known. I have often seen it used this way on MN.
Also, isn't it common for narcissists to commandeer discussions/arguments with their partners by ignoring the points raised, in order to comment on their tone/words/delivery?

TR's point stands.

God, I'm so tired of people telling other people not to politicise things which are inherently political, whether it's left (as here) or right (eg right wing gun nuts in the US objecting to discussion of gun control in the aftermath of a shooting). The allegation is that anti-racist policies have over-corrected to the extent that the police are no longer to police effectively or safely once an allegation of racism has been made. That is a political matter.

Mark Nowak did not ask for things not to be politicised- in fact he has explicitly requested a full investigation of the police's actions.

Well that’s complete bullshit.

But I’m sure someone will believe you.

I think the sad fact is that we’ve always had a problem with racial profiling in policing, there just was apparently less uproar about it on MN when it wasn’t white people suffering.

I do think it’s really very obvious that that’s what happened in this case. The police believed that a young white male could/would be racist towards a Sikh male, without any evidence of that being the case, and that’s obviously not good enough.

But we have to accept that this isn’t a new problem, and for a long time that profiling has been targeted towards the non-white. It wasn’t good enough then either.

Fine, that's up to you, read @Giggorata 's post below, swear words can be used for emphasis. You seem to be a bit of a snowflake or deliberately trying to distract.

Amazing to see the uproar when this happens to a white man. You know this is the exact stuff all the non-white population have had to live with for decades. It’s all wrong, but you know what? It is white privilege to only get angry when things happen to white people. And I say that as a white person.

Henry Nowak's awful death had nothing to do with the left, or the right, or race.

It had to do with a violent thug murdering him, and police officers who simply took the word of the first person who spoke to them on the scene, instead of assessing it themselves.

Totally agree!

It is mostly males.

There are some women involved but they stand out and seem remarkable by virtue of being female, so people remember them.

They’re very intimidating as a group too

It's a bit of a stretch but I have seen adverts for jobs on uk sites posted in a foreign language.

I didn’t say that but it’s funny how you jumped to that conclusion.

But statistically those who follow TR are less likely to have jobs and/or have on a lower average IQ to the rest of the country.

Probably why people blindly follow him for ‘loving his country’, even though he refuses to live here himself and doesn’t pay tax to contribute to it.

That’s why I despise TR because he preys on the vulnerable and manipulates people with low IQs.

Those who do not work are not necessarily less intelligent but it could simply be a case of having more access to SM and therefore easier to be swayed by peoples opinions, rather than actual facts.

But the swear word emphasises different points depending on where it is placed.

'the fucking shop keeper was attacked at gun point'
'the shop keeper was fucking attacked at gun point'
'the shop keeper was attacked at fucking gun point'

They don't all emphasise and imply the same thing do they? I really don't get why people don't think it was disrespectful. It absolutely blows my mind. And I swear a lot.

She doesn't want to write that poor kid's name with the word fucking in the middle bc she's got some fucking respect for him. Do you get the point if the post yet?

I don't like swearing and try not to but in this instance the F word was used as an exclamation rather than insult to the victim. I am no more offended by this than by any other instance of normal swearing use. It just shows a lack of vocabulary. We all know TR is a yob, but he's not wrong on the matter.

I am not at all sure this is true or can be proved to be true right now - that may be what is being said but what is the evidence?

You can speculate on the terrible behaviour of the police involved and the reasons you suspect, but it is just speculation and repeating it doesn't it make it fact. They made fatal decisions that cost a boy his life.

The things being quoted are not from a training manual or direct instructions. See this article. - yes it's the Guardian blah blah, but the reporting is pretty good for once: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/03/police-anti-racism-policies-henry-nowak-explainer

Why is it when it's a white victim a white person can't speak up for the victim? It's an extremely lazy narrative that he just wants to stoke division. Any white person, especially mothers of white children should be concerned at the direction policing has taken where a BAME person is automaticall believed over a white victim. It is not racist to expect equal treatment - the very thing that (genuine) BLM proponents want. It's regressive to say only white people can be racist/have white privilege and that includes the pitiful desperation to legitimise BLM riots and hone criticism on Southport and Southampton. We all know if the victim had been black, what the chaotic disorder would be. The balance of power has swung from treating all citizens equally to pandering to liberal demands.