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AIBU to feel deeply unsettled by the Southampton protest scenes?

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HopelessPessimist · Yesterday 19:02

Southampton protest against police, huge crowd, Tommy Robinson whipping everyone into a frenzy and saying "this IS about race"

Other speakers declaring that England is a Christian country. The Lords Prayer chanted by every speaker. The leader of UKIP saying he will deport all migrants and make government Christian. The leaders of the protest saying they are being pushed by the police cordon, while the camera angle shows the police haven't moved. The leaders of the protest mocking the female police officer who are taking over a shift from another police officer in the cordon "They're replacing all the men with women!"

This is awful. It feels like the start of civil war. Maybe human beings just aren't supposed to go decades without a fight.

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JHound · Yesterday 20:25

SpaceRaccoon · Yesterday 20:23

The white police officers weren’t heavier handed or delayed medical treatment because they were systematically racist to white people.

But that's exactly what they were. They automatically believed the non-white person who had said the magic r-word, over the stabbed white boy.

And unlike Floyd, he wasn't a fentanyl addict with a criminal record, either.

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There is no evidence he was a Fentanyl addict and while he had a criminal past that was irrelevant to the facts on the day.

And there is zero evidence of systemic police racism towards white people in the UK. None.

Figgygal · Yesterday 20:26

StandFirm · Yesterday 20:21

They're sadly the same thugs that have been pushing for this shit here and in the US. They see this tragic death as the perfect opportunity to wreak havoc. Very depressing and morally bankrupt.

Absolutely agree. They are opportunistic scumbags

Why is it all of a sudden a certain type feel compelled to pound the streets?
Why do they think that their knuckle dragging views are so important that their communities have to deal with them. They should go home and find something more constructive to do with their lives they sure as hell don't care about Henry or his family's wishes

Pange79 · Yesterday 20:26

SlazengerTennisClub · Yesterday 19:36

The last words that young man heard were his rights being read to him. He asked a police officer for help and was called a liar.
He lay there dying.
That is what is deeply unsettling here. I have sons and my heart breaks for Henry and his family.

Rest in Peace Henry Nowak.

This. If you have seen the bodycam footage, seen the dads speech and don't feel outraged then there's something wrong with you. That poor poor boy. This is a systemic racism problem with the police - they were doing anything to not offend the Sikh family - at no point did they cuff the murderer. This isn't about Sikhs or a particular group- it's about police discrimination against white people.

LimpysGotCancer · Yesterday 20:26

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · Yesterday 19:10

Yes me too, far more unsettled as the parent of a white young adult.

Imagine being this fragile and gullible.

Quokkas · Yesterday 20:27

suburburban · Yesterday 19:14

Yes I think so, this incident is absolutely awful

It is awful. But it’s really really rare.

Whatifitallgoesright · Yesterday 20:27

youalright · Yesterday 19:30

So a couple of officers make a mistake and 100s of other officers should get attacked and assaulted for it because thats exactly what's going to happen. If one of your colleagues made a mistake would you be OK with 1000s of people to come after you for it

That was what was actively encouraged during the George Floyd protests. Funny how no-one was saying THAT killing shouldn't be politicised.

PinkPonyAnonymous · Yesterday 20:27

A dreadfully sad case. Awful to see the likes of Tommy Robinson capitalising on it. That poor boy deserves peace.

TrampleOnTheRoses · Yesterday 20:28

youalright · Yesterday 20:13

Ignoring what he said he's been stabbed they said where he didn't answer they lifted his shirt checked his back assumed he was talking about his face. Their was no large puddle of blood which anyone would expect from a stabbing then they called an ambulance.

He said he’d been stabbed. He had been stabbed. The police didn’t believe him and didn’t check properly. You say all the information they were given was false. It wasn’t. They were told by the young man that he had been stabbed and this was true.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 20:28

Figgygal · Yesterday 20:26

Absolutely agree. They are opportunistic scumbags

Why is it all of a sudden a certain type feel compelled to pound the streets?
Why do they think that their knuckle dragging views are so important that their communities have to deal with them. They should go home and find something more constructive to do with their lives they sure as hell don't care about Henry or his family's wishes

So when BLM rioters were looting, setting fire to union jacks, attacking police horses and pulling down statues, can you explain what they had to do with George Floyd.

SpaceRaccoon · Yesterday 20:28

youalright · Yesterday 20:25

No id be mad at the murderer they already made it clear Henry couldn't of been saved no matter what anyone did

Do you not understand the additional distress of knowing how their son died, uncomforted, terrified and in handcuffs? Dragged roughly across gravel? The last words he heard, a policeman reading him his rights for something he never did?
It's absolutely horrendous what was done to him by the police.

I totally understand the anger in Southampton tonight.

LoopyLoo1991 · Yesterday 20:29

A full ban on ceremonial weapons is in the pipeline. He was an evil person no matter his religion and his family members helping to cover it up was just as bad.
Tommy Robinson is an opportunistic and a trouble maker. He'll end up back inside or dead pretty soon, so hopefully long term cooler, saner attitudes will prevail.
UK/England isn't perfect but it's not Russia, 'Merica or country constantly at armed conflicts.

Dollymylove · Yesterday 20:29

SleeplessInWherever · Yesterday 20:14

Or - they meant it.

I can tell you with absolute certainty that Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage are not welcome on my doorstep, regardless of the reason.

Southport, now this. Stop using the horrendous deaths of people you have absolutely nothing to do with, to make shitty points and divisive protests.

Vile.

So we, the British people have to shut up and tolerate it do we? Those little girls at Southport could be anyone's daughters, Henry could be the son of any one of us.
Get off your high horse FFS

RubyGoose99 · Yesterday 20:29

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Emilesgran · Yesterday 20:29

SunnySunnyDayz · Yesterday 19:12

Tommy Robinson shit doesn't usually bother me but this is ridiculous. The murderers own religion has condemned him in strong terms.

It IS due to race but not about race, it's about making police 'anti racist' and therefore racist towards white people.

I do think this will correct now. Same as other overly zealous EDI actions.

Not nearly strongly enough though. They said they had banned him from the Gurdwara ages ago over his behaviour - but yet they didn't feel any need to stop him from carrying his ceremonial knives?? And anyway it seems that may not even be true - there are other posts from them which mention his name as being a member.

They're just trying to do damage control. That's all.

VanGoSunflowers · Yesterday 20:29

StandFirm · Yesterday 20:21

They're sadly the same thugs that have been pushing for this shit here and in the US. They see this tragic death as the perfect opportunity to wreak havoc. Very depressing and morally bankrupt.

It’s such a complex issue isn’t it? I mean, what happened to that young man was awful. What happens to women when they are raped by an immigrant is also awful. But I don’t see these men protesting about every rape and every murder so it seems like they aren’t morally consistent. If they had to protest every time a woman was sexually assaulted or raped they’d never leave the streets…

Quokkas · Yesterday 20:30

HopelessPessimist · Yesterday 20:21

I'm horrified. My mum lives in Southampton and I'm scared.

What are you scared of, OP? I think your mum will be okay.

Owlsintheforest · Yesterday 20:30

HopelessPessimist · Yesterday 19:02

Southampton protest against police, huge crowd, Tommy Robinson whipping everyone into a frenzy and saying "this IS about race"

Other speakers declaring that England is a Christian country. The Lords Prayer chanted by every speaker. The leader of UKIP saying he will deport all migrants and make government Christian. The leaders of the protest saying they are being pushed by the police cordon, while the camera angle shows the police haven't moved. The leaders of the protest mocking the female police officer who are taking over a shift from another police officer in the cordon "They're replacing all the men with women!"

This is awful. It feels like the start of civil war. Maybe human beings just aren't supposed to go decades without a fight.

What’s wrong with Christians? There’s another thread on here with people defending Sikhs and Muslims yet you’re demonising Christians!

JHound · Yesterday 20:30

MaturingCheeseball · Yesterday 20:23

There is a pervasive and very nasty narrative that has got a hold in public life.

On a level extremely trivial compared to this murder, but upsetting nonetheless, ds went to a job interview at an arts organisation. At its conclusion, the HR woman said, “Frankly the last person we’re going to employ is a white middle-class male.” Ds, being a nervous nerd, slunk out, but felt gutted, as if he were a criminal.

I don’t hold with any antagonism towards Sikhs (ds’s best friend is a Sikh - they are imo fine people) - the murderer and his family were just evil (and honestly I don’t think really woke people care too much for Sikhs as they’re not victim-y enough or visible) - BUT it’s this general EDI nonsense that has led to the police making a terrible mistake.

A freedom of information request indicated just how many jobs there are in this field and how many millions are spent on what resulted in Henry Nowak’s miserable treatment.

We know that discrimination exists in employment. But why has it taken for when it happens to your son for it to be an issue for you?

MaturingCheeseball · Yesterday 20:30

JHound · Yesterday 20:25

There is no evidence he was a Fentanyl addict and while he had a criminal past that was irrelevant to the facts on the day.

And there is zero evidence of systemic police racism towards white people in the UK. None.

Edited

Disgusting - George Floyd was a violent criminal. He should not have been restrained in the manner he was, but he was a piece of s**t unless you think holding a gun to a pregnant woman’s stomach is worthy of having a street named after you, or indeed David Guetta during his set rapping, “A shout out to George Floyd and his family!” Boom boom boom…

SleeplessInWherever · Yesterday 20:30

Dollymylove · Yesterday 20:29

So we, the British people have to shut up and tolerate it do we? Those little girls at Southport could be anyone's daughters, Henry could be the son of any one of us.
Get off your high horse FFS

We, the British people?

The murderer is British. I, am British. Who is the “we” you speak of?

I’ll get off my high horse when some of you get off your bandwagon.

TrampleOnTheRoses · Yesterday 20:30

Tableforjoan · Yesterday 20:15

They took the claim of racism more serious than the poor lad asking for help because he had been stabbed.

He died handcuffed and dragged across the floor being called a lier.

Hurty words with a fake claim of a head scarf being removed were taken more seriously than what became a deadly assault.

Exactly. Heartbreaking 💔

TeaCupTinsel · Yesterday 20:31

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 20:02

As a teacher I'm sure you've seen fascism shift to the left. You certainly will have seen it in cases such as Batley and Jewish children's schools protected by security.

We have had some incidents of antisemitism, yes, but that was perpetrated by those affiliated with a horrible group called 'Patriotic Alternative' (well, presumably their parents and the kids just copied), so not 'left' leaning as they are a far right organisation.

I know both the Synagogues and Mosques where we live employ security guards and there have been instances of abusive graffiti both antisemitic and islamophobic in various places (ramped up when 'protests' or marches were taking place).

We are a long way away from the capital though and the only religious schools we have in the area are C of E or Catholic.

Jellox · Yesterday 20:31

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 20:20

Your very post is part of the problem.

Care to explain?

Or are you one of these who likes to say things without any actual context.

A bit like politicians do. All words but no meaning.

SpaceRaccoon · Yesterday 20:31

And there is zero evidence of systemic police racism towards white people in the UK. None.

Apart from the footage of Henry dying in handcuffs, disbelieved about his fatal stab wounds, while the police chat to his killer.

Ihatetomatoes · Yesterday 20:31

The police officers are a disgrace. They are more concerned with a man saying he had been racially abused and had a small bruise on his face than an 18 year old lad dying on the floor in handcuffs, saying several times he had been stabbed and couldn't breathe. White boys dont seem to matter, hurty words trump murder. Fucking disgusting. Sack and charge those officers.

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