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AIBU to feel deeply unsettled by the Southampton protest scenes?

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HopelessPessimist · 02/06/2026 19:02

Southampton protest against police, huge crowd, Tommy Robinson whipping everyone into a frenzy and saying "this IS about race"

Other speakers declaring that England is a Christian country. The Lords Prayer chanted by every speaker. The leader of UKIP saying he will deport all migrants and make government Christian. The leaders of the protest saying they are being pushed by the police cordon, while the camera angle shows the police haven't moved. The leaders of the protest mocking the female police officer who are taking over a shift from another police officer in the cordon "They're replacing all the men with women!"

This is awful. It feels like the start of civil war. Maybe human beings just aren't supposed to go decades without a fight.

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hay5689 · 03/06/2026 04:46

youalright · 03/06/2026 04:43

No i actually watched the video which it appears most on here haven't

So everyone else is wrong and you are right? I can’t decide if you or your family members are police or if you are a troll or just stupid because you refuse to see what everyone else saw and heard.

Flyingintotheunknown · 03/06/2026 04:46

KnitFastDieWarm · 03/06/2026 00:37

oh well that’s fine then, I’m sure that all that ‘carefully prepared evidence’ totally makes up for his parents having their child’s last moments on video as he bled to death while being called a liar by those who were supposed to protect him. It’s ’lessons will be learned’ and it’s just as meaningless.

I can’t imagine the loneliness and despair that poor man - really a boy, barely out of childhood - must have felt.

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Think that poster is on a wind up. They have quoted me a similar thread and basically said that the man who killed Henry didn’t mention anything about racism! Just another gaslighting, manipulative twit!

youalright · 03/06/2026 04:58

hay5689 · 03/06/2026 04:46

So everyone else is wrong and you are right? I can’t decide if you or your family members are police or if you are a troll or just stupid because you refuse to see what everyone else saw and heard.

I stated exactly what happened on the video nothing further. The police didn't drag him to the ground. Anyone who actually bothered to watch the video would know that.

AIBU to feel deeply unsettled by the Southampton protest scenes?
Winter2020 · 03/06/2026 05:05

mumofoneAloneandwell · 02/06/2026 20:04

I do think its a case of negligent policing here, rather than a choice made due to race. (It could well have been due to race, we dont know the officers minds) but it seems more that they didnt bother to check on the man in their care! 'I dont think you have been mate', fucking get down to his level and check. He is not a dog.

Its fucking disgusting and the officers are negligent and should be found so in the inquiry, and trials that follow.

For me, the big issue with the police, is classism. The survivors of the disgusting grooming gangs wouldn't have been ignored if they were middle class, not a chance. Were the sikh man not seeming like a homeowner of that large property, i dont think the police would've given him the same respect.

The protests today are just an excuse for Tommy Robinson to incite violence though. He doesnt care.

Rip Henry Nowak.

Do people that protest a black death "care"? I suspect in your opinion people that protest a black death "care" and are virtuous, people that protest a white death don't care (how could they?) and are just spoiling for a fight. Why is that? It is EXACTLY what people are sick of.

Purplerubberducky · 03/06/2026 05:06

lornad00m · 03/06/2026 00:58

'This! It is awful, but'

Whataboutism rears its ugly head. Again. 🙄

It isn’t whataboutism. It’s an agreement with a pp and an answer to the op. This is not a widespread issue.

Whataboutism would be, “how come there isn’t this uproar when the police don’t believe women who are raped”? For example.

Winter2020 · 03/06/2026 05:10

Jellox · 02/06/2026 20:06

I feel so sorry for the parents who have just lost their child in horrific circumstances and people are using it as an excuse to be racist and be violent.

It’s disgusting how these idiots prey on other people’s grief.

There needs to be stricter laws against this.

Will these laws against protest apply when a black person or someone from a minority group is killed? Will protesting in those circumstances be illegal or do you only want it to be illegal to protest about a white person's death?

Flyingintotheunknown · 03/06/2026 05:11

Winter2020 · 03/06/2026 05:05

Do people that protest a black death "care"? I suspect in your opinion people that protest a black death "care" and are virtuous, people that protest a white death don't care (how could they?) and are just spoiling for a fight. Why is that? It is EXACTLY what people are sick of.

Agree. They only say what suits their narrative. They have no logical explanation to back up the shit they say on threads like this. Often resorting to the same scripted lines and dragging Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage into everything! It’s so predictable it’s laughable.

Cocoda · 03/06/2026 05:44

WaryCrow · 02/06/2026 19:36

Not again. I just put something on the other thread. There may be questions to answer for the police but they should be questions with attentive listening to the answers, not bloody jumping on bandwagons. Policing is hard, no doubt they hear ‘I’ve been stabbed’ and ‘I can’t breathe’ many times from criminals who are very aware of their rights now.

I’m very unsettled by any lunatic demagogue who tries to drum up mobs.

.😡. but Henry was .. and he couldn't.. and he died.. 🙏❤️🙏

Purplerubberducky · 03/06/2026 06:01

Winter2020 · 03/06/2026 04:38

Did you think that "in the UK" you would see a man from Sudan stab a young woman 23 times and then dance in celebration.

Do you think that Deng Majek, who stabbed Riannon Whyte 23 times, was misrepresented in the media?

People have a right to be angry.

How can you not see that this has no relevance whatsoever? Around the world horrific crimes are going to be committed by people in different countries to where they are born, including British people in foreign countries. There are some fucked up people in the world. What matters here is that someone was murdered and not listened to by the police, and what can be done to prevent anything like this happening again. It is relevant to say that there is no evidence of a widespread issue of police disbelieving white people, on the contrary, there is plenty of recent evidence to show that racism towards ethnic minorities remains rife within the police force.

DBSFstupid · 03/06/2026 06:13

Broccolish · 02/06/2026 19:07

I feel far more unsettled as a parent of white young adults in a country where police are more concerned about being called racist than protecting people against violence.

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Shoola · 03/06/2026 06:19

The actions of the murderer and the incompetent police officers involved are bound to lead to lot of anger and upset. This kind of stuff always stirs up racial tension in every community.

Perfect28 · 03/06/2026 06:20

They should have all been arrested for harassment. This is no protest.

Perfect28 · 03/06/2026 06:21

First commenter, defending these racist right wing pr**ks. Where is the evidence that this was 'reverse racism' as opposed to just a grave mistake?

Flyingintotheunknown · 03/06/2026 06:24

Perfect28 · 03/06/2026 06:21

First commenter, defending these racist right wing pr**ks. Where is the evidence that this was 'reverse racism' as opposed to just a grave mistake?

Where is your evidence they are “right wing racist pr**ks”? Or is that just another scripted lefty line to gaslight and dismiss people who are genuinely angry??? Pathetic! Just stop with the race card! Nobody takes you idiots seriously anymore because the term “racist” has lost all meaning now when you’re just using it to describe people whom you have no evidence are actually racist!

Flyingintotheunknown · 03/06/2026 06:25

Perfect28 · 03/06/2026 06:20

They should have all been arrested for harassment. This is no protest.

Harassing who? Do you think the police have nothing better to do?

I mean in that case let’s arrest all the protesters including the Palestine, LGBTQ and the rest then…..

Perfect28 · 03/06/2026 06:29

Flyingintotheunknown · 03/06/2026 06:25

Harassing who? Do you think the police have nothing better to do?

I mean in that case let’s arrest all the protesters including the Palestine, LGBTQ and the rest then…..

As far as I know those protests are planned, agreed to and don't happen outside a family home!

Perfect28 · 03/06/2026 06:30

Flyingintotheunknown · 03/06/2026 06:24

Where is your evidence they are “right wing racist pr**ks”? Or is that just another scripted lefty line to gaslight and dismiss people who are genuinely angry??? Pathetic! Just stop with the race card! Nobody takes you idiots seriously anymore because the term “racist” has lost all meaning now when you’re just using it to describe people whom you have no evidence are actually racist!

Where is my evidence that Laurence fox and Tommy Robinson are right wing and racist?? Mmm where should I start. You've got to be kidding me

Flyingintotheunknown · 03/06/2026 06:32

Perfect28 · 03/06/2026 06:30

Where is my evidence that Laurence fox and Tommy Robinson are right wing and racist?? Mmm where should I start. You've got to be kidding me

Ha! So predictable! Another scripted lefty line! You idiots can’t help bringing Tommy Robinson into everything! Let me guess… you will then drag Nigel Farage into your next post!
The same scripted shit used over and over again by people like you, again is losing its effectiveness!

Skinnysaluki · 03/06/2026 06:32

SpaceRaccoon · 02/06/2026 23:24

I believe it too. If you look at the amount of infrastructure destruction in Gaza, the preservation of civilian life is impressive. The IDF would pre-warn and clear areas of civilians prior to heavy airstrikes.

Well I hope you’re being well remunerated writing such blatant, demonstrably untrue, propaganda garbage.

Flyingintotheunknown · 03/06/2026 06:33

Perfect28 · 03/06/2026 06:29

As far as I know those protests are planned, agreed to and don't happen outside a family home!

Again, what’s the harassment??? Or is it just something you’ve dreamt up!

drunkelephant83 · 03/06/2026 06:33

How is it also exempt that Sikhs can carry a Kirpan which I assume is what was used?

TeaCupTinsel · 03/06/2026 06:33

Winter2020 · 03/06/2026 04:38

Did you think that "in the UK" you would see a man from Sudan stab a young woman 23 times and then dance in celebration.

Do you think that Deng Majek, who stabbed Riannon Whyte 23 times, was misrepresented in the media?

People have a right to be angry.

Two things can be true at once. We can be horrified and angered by those incidents, also not use the incident to push a disingenuous narrative.

What I object to is the singling out of these incidents to give the impression that crimes perpetrated by non-white immigrants refugees or migrants are the 'majority' of crimes taking place. It is being used by extremist groups, pushing the narrative that 'our women and children need protecting' (in reality they don't care about women or children as they become incredibly aggressive when challenged by women who disagree with them, many at these types of 'protests' have DV on their records which has been widely reported after other such protests) when in reality, it's scaring children, it's harming communities and seeding divisions.

I've worked in large urban schools for a long time, immigrant and refugee children have, by and large, been such hard workers, respectful of education (which is highly valued) and determined to get top grades in spite of the fact they often have a language barrier too. They have an entirely different cultural view of education comparatively with British children.

The divisions and reactions to incidents like what happened to Henry Nowak are being used by some people to disingenuously push a narrative about non-white people, immigrants and refugees.

The police should be investigated and it should be determined the catastrophic failings that night so nothing of the sort can ever happen again, the rules around kirpans/ ceremonial knives should also definitely be reviewed by the government in light of this incident and also the fact that knife crime is a key issue in many cities, however, I believe the perpetrator had been flagged multiple times to various different agencies - that should also be followed up, why were those reports allowed to fall through the cracks?

People can be angry at the failings here, upset for Henry's family, find horror in it and still not use this incident to push a narrative full of hate towards those of different races and cultures who, by and large, are living in the UK working hard and being part of our communities.
I remember studying Sikhism for GCSE years ago and know even from then, Sikhs are peaceful people who will be abhorred by what has happened and will probably be on the receiving end of backlash because of the actions of this one man.

People have the right to protest. When Sarah Everard was unjustly murdered, many women went and protested/ held vigil after what happened. It was a peaceful protest although I seem to remember women were still arrested due to 'gathering' laws or something. Nothing was thrown at police, no fighting happened.

We can be angry, we can find horror, we can protest, we can want change, we can feel awful for Henry Nowak and his family...we can do all of these things and not cast aspersions about whole groups of people or use the incident to push hate filled rhetoric and seed divisions within our communities.

The children in our schools work as a diverse community and wouldn't blame many people for the actions or behaviour of one. There is no need for some of the violence, physical aggression against others and damage being done to property under the guise of pretending it's about justice for Henry Nowak. That is what I have a problem with.

Anyone with children in our schools should feel the same, as it causes tensions in communities for our children and their friends.

Whysnothingsimple · 03/06/2026 06:34

Grammarnut · 02/06/2026 23:06

The Cathars, a gnostic sect. Gnosticism holds that there is a non-material self separate from the body and that special spiritual knowledge is available to the spirit and that the material body is less important and even bad (the gospels of e.g. Thomas and Mary Magdalen are gnostic, as is the gospel of John in many ways). Cathars believed that the God of the world is Satan. They also believed in perfection through reincarnation i.e. you got a new body to work through until you were able to return to your angelic state. Catharism, gnosticism and trans ideology (which also believes in a mystic self unconnected with the physical body) have a lot in common.

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Trans ideology and the Cathars have zero in common how the hell did you reach that conclusion? It seems it’s just yet another misappropriation of other cultures to try and give a false history to their ideology (is the concept of two spirit from certain indigenous tribes of the Americas). I wish they would drop this insulting practice.

We have to be very careful of how we present the Cathars due to the historical sources we have which come almost entirely from the Catholic Church and should be read in the context of the reasons behind the Albegensian crusade, which was’ mainly a land grab.

The dualistic nature of Gnosticism (as set out by the Catholic Church -so should be read with a great deal of scepticism) means that “Satan” was the creator god of the Old Testament who made the material world and there was the loving God of the New Testament. It doesn’t mean Satan was the god of this world They (apparently) believed in Equality if the sexes, suicide was ok, they were vegetarian.

But much scholarly thought is now focusing on whether they were actually a different sect at all or just very devout Christians demonised by the Catholic Church for material gain Dr Justin Sledge has done some good work explaining tthis.

Its unlikely the Cathars had access to whatt we call the “Gnostic Gospels” (which had very distinct ideas from what we’re told of the Cathars and largely don’t sit as a single theology even amongst themselves (which is pretty obvious given the multitude of ideas, groups and sources swirling round during the early Christian period) although there are some similarities eg the Cathars thought we were angels trapped in a series of physical bodies” snd the Gnostic texts largely talk about each of us having a divine spark although this is a common concept eg Shevitat ha-Kelim in the 16th century Lurianic Kabbalah. They seemingly worked largely with Johns Gospel.

We need to tread carefully when citing the Cathars in any argument because, in truth we don’t, and probably never will, know their true nature.

Lugol · 03/06/2026 06:36

Purplerubberducky · 03/06/2026 06:01

How can you not see that this has no relevance whatsoever? Around the world horrific crimes are going to be committed by people in different countries to where they are born, including British people in foreign countries. There are some fucked up people in the world. What matters here is that someone was murdered and not listened to by the police, and what can be done to prevent anything like this happening again. It is relevant to say that there is no evidence of a widespread issue of police disbelieving white people, on the contrary, there is plenty of recent evidence to show that racism towards ethnic minorities remains rife within the police force.

No? What about the victims of the grooming gangs?

That's pretty widespread and hundreds of police didn't believe those white girls.

Pedallleur · 03/06/2026 06:36

Broccolish · 02/06/2026 19:07

I feel far more unsettled as a parent of white young adults in a country where police are more concerned about being called racist than protecting people against violence.

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Wonder what Stephen Lawrences mother would say?

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