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AIBU to feel deeply unsettled by the Southampton protest scenes?

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HopelessPessimist · Yesterday 19:02

Southampton protest against police, huge crowd, Tommy Robinson whipping everyone into a frenzy and saying "this IS about race"

Other speakers declaring that England is a Christian country. The Lords Prayer chanted by every speaker. The leader of UKIP saying he will deport all migrants and make government Christian. The leaders of the protest saying they are being pushed by the police cordon, while the camera angle shows the police haven't moved. The leaders of the protest mocking the female police officer who are taking over a shift from another police officer in the cordon "They're replacing all the men with women!"

This is awful. It feels like the start of civil war. Maybe human beings just aren't supposed to go decades without a fight.

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Flyingintotheunknown · Today 06:37

Perfect28 · Today 06:30

Where is my evidence that Laurence fox and Tommy Robinson are right wing and racist?? Mmm where should I start. You've got to be kidding me

Think I’ll start bringing Keir Starmer into everything, despite the thread having nothing to do with him! It’s the same logic you idiots apply when bringing Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage into everything!

Skinnysaluki · Today 06:39

Lugol · Today 06:36

No? What about the victims of the grooming gangs?

That's pretty widespread and hundreds of police didn't believe those white girls.

The police don’t believe women and girls, white or non white. You only need to look at the prosecution rates for rape, the number of women killed by domestic abusers. It’s not a race thing. It’s a gender thing. And it’s also in this case a class issue- working class girls are treated like shit by pretty much the entire world!

Perfect28 · Today 06:42

Flyingintotheunknown · Today 06:37

Think I’ll start bringing Keir Starmer into everything, despite the thread having nothing to do with him! It’s the same logic you idiots apply when bringing Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage into everything!

The two racists I mentioned were at the 'protest'. Farage said people need to respond with 'pure cold rage'. Explain how this has nothing to do with them please? Or are you seriously misinformed?

Whysnothingsimple · Today 06:42

TeaCupTinsel · Today 06:33

Two things can be true at once. We can be horrified and angered by those incidents, also not use the incident to push a disingenuous narrative.

What I object to is the singling out of these incidents to give the impression that crimes perpetrated by non-white immigrants refugees or migrants are the 'majority' of crimes taking place. It is being used by extremist groups, pushing the narrative that 'our women and children need protecting' (in reality they don't care about women or children as they become incredibly aggressive when challenged by women who disagree with them, many at these types of 'protests' have DV on their records which has been widely reported after other such protests) when in reality, it's scaring children, it's harming communities and seeding divisions.

I've worked in large urban schools for a long time, immigrant and refugee children have, by and large, been such hard workers, respectful of education (which is highly valued) and determined to get top grades in spite of the fact they often have a language barrier too. They have an entirely different cultural view of education comparatively with British children.

The divisions and reactions to incidents like what happened to Henry Nowak are being used by some people to disingenuously push a narrative about non-white people, immigrants and refugees.

The police should be investigated and it should be determined the catastrophic failings that night so nothing of the sort can ever happen again, the rules around kirpans/ ceremonial knives should also definitely be reviewed by the government in light of this incident and also the fact that knife crime is a key issue in many cities, however, I believe the perpetrator had been flagged multiple times to various different agencies - that should also be followed up, why were those reports allowed to fall through the cracks?

People can be angry at the failings here, upset for Henry's family, find horror in it and still not use this incident to push a narrative full of hate towards those of different races and cultures who, by and large, are living in the UK working hard and being part of our communities.
I remember studying Sikhism for GCSE years ago and know even from then, Sikhs are peaceful people who will be abhorred by what has happened and will probably be on the receiving end of backlash because of the actions of this one man.

People have the right to protest. When Sarah Everard was unjustly murdered, many women went and protested/ held vigil after what happened. It was a peaceful protest although I seem to remember women were still arrested due to 'gathering' laws or something. Nothing was thrown at police, no fighting happened.

We can be angry, we can find horror, we can protest, we can want change, we can feel awful for Henry Nowak and his family...we can do all of these things and not cast aspersions about whole groups of people or use the incident to push hate filled rhetoric and seed divisions within our communities.

The children in our schools work as a diverse community and wouldn't blame many people for the actions or behaviour of one. There is no need for some of the violence, physical aggression against others and damage being done to property under the guise of pretending it's about justice for Henry Nowak. That is what I have a problem with.

Anyone with children in our schools should feel the same, as it causes tensions in communities for our children and their friends.

I’m sorry but you just don’t get it do you? I’m not surprised you work in a school, they’re riddled with people pushing a leftist ideology on our kids.

Maybe part of the reason many kids disengage from education is attitudes like yours, oh look how much these immigrant children value education whilst these white working class children are nothing but trouble. Your prejudice is coming over loud and clear and will be feeding into why white working class boys are the massive underachievers in our school system. You most likely aren’t conscious of your prejudice because you think you can only be prejudiced against minorities. Our educational system needs a complete review and its anti white, anti traditional anti British endorsers need to be taken out of it.

Perfect28 · Today 06:44

Flyingintotheunknown · Today 06:33

Again, what’s the harassment??? Or is it just something you’ve dreamt up!

Sorry you wouldn't feel harassed if a mob rocked up outside your family home and started chanting and throwing things? Rubbish.

Flyingintotheunknown · Today 06:44

Perfect28 · Today 06:42

The two racists I mentioned were at the 'protest'. Farage said people need to respond with 'pure cold rage'. Explain how this has nothing to do with them please? Or are you seriously misinformed?

Again so fucking predictable you’re laughable!

Come back when you have a logical argument to put across without brandishing the words “Racist”, “Tommy Robinson” and Nigel Farage!

Absolutely pathetic! Can’t stand gaslighting idiots!

Oooeeh · Today 06:45

I can’t stand farage, Tommy Robinson or whoever far right there is.

but this is wrong. There are plenty of parents out there concerned for their white sons. This guidance which came in last year is formally reported by BBC this morning.

the government has to take accountability and act to stop any more unrest. The way they are pushing this onto the police is unacceptable, there are many people accountable for this tragedy and they have to put their hands up and commit to change.

the issue is the government aren’t listening. And people are angry. Even if the parents haven’t asked for it themselves, there are plenty of other parents terrified for their children.

‘The guidance, which was issued last year, suggested officers should treat ethnic minorities differently in order to ensure what it calls "equality of outcomes".

AIBU to feel deeply unsettled by the Southampton protest scenes?
Flyingintotheunknown · Today 06:45

Perfect28 · Today 06:44

Sorry you wouldn't feel harassed if a mob rocked up outside your family home and started chanting and throwing things? Rubbish.

It’s a fucking protest ffs! Could say the same about the 2011 London Riots couldn’t we! Duh

Perfect28 · Today 06:48

Flyingintotheunknown · Today 06:45

It’s a fucking protest ffs! Could say the same about the 2011 London Riots couldn’t we! Duh

Do you struggle intellectually or what?

Protests and riots are not the same.

Perfect28 · Today 06:49

Oooeeh · Today 06:45

I can’t stand farage, Tommy Robinson or whoever far right there is.

but this is wrong. There are plenty of parents out there concerned for their white sons. This guidance which came in last year is formally reported by BBC this morning.

the government has to take accountability and act to stop any more unrest. The way they are pushing this onto the police is unacceptable, there are many people accountable for this tragedy and they have to put their hands up and commit to change.

the issue is the government aren’t listening. And people are angry. Even if the parents haven’t asked for it themselves, there are plenty of other parents terrified for their children.

‘The guidance, which was issued last year, suggested officers should treat ethnic minorities differently in order to ensure what it calls "equality of outcomes".

More realistic to be concerned that your white sons are being radicalised into racism and misogyny online than worry they would be treated unfairly by the police.

Flyingintotheunknown · Today 06:50

Perfect28 · Today 06:48

Do you struggle intellectually or what?

Protests and riots are not the same.

A lot of protests usually end up being riots.Either way your logic and just throwing the racist and Tommy Robinson cards around is quite frankly disgusting and pathetic! Get a grip!

Flyingintotheunknown · Today 06:52

Perfect28 · Today 06:49

More realistic to be concerned that your white sons are being radicalised into racism and misogyny online than worry they would be treated unfairly by the police.

Oh fuck off with your gaslighting!!! How dare you dismiss the concerns of people!

And claiming people’s white son’s are being radicalised is nothing short of racism…. According to your pathetic logic!

Perfect28 · Today 06:52

Flyingintotheunknown · Today 06:50

A lot of protests usually end up being riots.Either way your logic and just throwing the racist and Tommy Robinson cards around is quite frankly disgusting and pathetic! Get a grip!

So hang on are you really arguing that Tommy Robinson is not a racist? You're having a laugh mate.

Roomonthe3rdfloor · Today 06:53

Flyingintotheunknown · Today 06:33

Again, what’s the harassment??? Or is it just something you’ve dreamt up!

Those “protestors” were on a normal residential street, shouting amongst themselves, throwing things, were in peoples gardens and drives. Not a respectful protest for poor Henry.

There were loads of lives on tiktok and it was deffo not a protest. I’m sure the residents of the street were terrified.

Flyingintotheunknown · Today 06:53

Perfect28 · Today 06:52

So hang on are you really arguing that Tommy Robinson is not a racist? You're having a laugh mate.

What the fuck has Tommy Robinson got to do with the murder of Henry Nowak! Yet idiots like you come in threads like this, gaslight people and call them racists then mention To my Robinson!! You’re an absolute disgrace and a joke

Flyingintotheunknown · Today 06:54

Roomonthe3rdfloor · Today 06:53

Those “protestors” were on a normal residential street, shouting amongst themselves, throwing things, were in peoples gardens and drives. Not a respectful protest for poor Henry.

There were loads of lives on tiktok and it was deffo not a protest. I’m sure the residents of the street were terrified.

But protests for Palestine are ok are they??? See the irony. It’s not that I disagree. But I disagree about the one sidedness about it all that protesters are all far right racists yet the other side can do no wrong!

Boomer55 · Today 06:55

The mistakes made in that arrest were about assumptions and modern training of the police. They assumed the killer had been racially abused, and they assumed the victim was guilty of racism, with no evidence whatsoever.

Policing should be even handed.

But, I’ve no time for politicians or professional/rent a mob protestors using someone else’s tragedy as an excuse to stir up violence - regardless of the cause. 🤬

givemesteel · Today 06:57

This case is terrifying. I have a son with ASD who I can totally see this happening to. Henry Novak could have been any of our sons.

People have a right to be angry. I am not condoning violence against the police.

I also think there needs to be careful consideration of the consequences of those who use "racism" as a clear way of obfuscating their own crime, when no racism was present (Novak asking him if he's a bad man for carrying a knife is not inherently racist)

Whysnothingsimple · Today 06:58

Perfect28 · Today 06:52

So hang on are you really arguing that Tommy Robinson is not a racist? You're having a laugh mate.

How do you come to that conclusion from what that poster has written. It doesn’t say anything of the sort.

frindolion · Today 06:58

Oooeeh · Today 06:45

I can’t stand farage, Tommy Robinson or whoever far right there is.

but this is wrong. There are plenty of parents out there concerned for their white sons. This guidance which came in last year is formally reported by BBC this morning.

the government has to take accountability and act to stop any more unrest. The way they are pushing this onto the police is unacceptable, there are many people accountable for this tragedy and they have to put their hands up and commit to change.

the issue is the government aren’t listening. And people are angry. Even if the parents haven’t asked for it themselves, there are plenty of other parents terrified for their children.

‘The guidance, which was issued last year, suggested officers should treat ethnic minorities differently in order to ensure what it calls "equality of outcomes".

https://www.npcc.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/our-work/race-action-plan/police-anti-racism-commitment.pdf
Is this it?

https://www.npcc.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/our-work/race-action-plan/police-anti-racism-commitment.pdf

Roomonthe3rdfloor · Today 06:58

Flyingintotheunknown · Today 06:54

But protests for Palestine are ok are they??? See the irony. It’s not that I disagree. But I disagree about the one sidedness about it all that protesters are all far right racists yet the other side can do no wrong!

So for starters, I have not mentioned Palestine or any other marches or protests, nor have I given my opinion, so not sure what Irony you mean.

I never stated all protesters are far right, so again not sure what you mean about one-sideness in my post.

I also believe everyone has a right to protest.

My response to you was about why it could be deemed harassment, I stand by what I said, it wasn’t a protest last night.

Milothebunny · Today 06:59

SunnySunnyDayz · Yesterday 19:12

Tommy Robinson shit doesn't usually bother me but this is ridiculous. The murderers own religion has condemned him in strong terms.

It IS due to race but not about race, it's about making police 'anti racist' and therefore racist towards white people.

I do think this will correct now. Same as other overly zealous EDI actions.

The anger is toward the police and how the police treated & dismissed a young 18 year old boy who repeatedly said "I can't breathe, I have been stabbed" their response was "I don't think you have mate" then cuffed his as he lay dying, drowing in his own blood ffs.

Uproar is very much needed on my opinion because it is absolutely disgraceful!!

FatEndoftheWedge · Today 06:59

BMW58 · Yesterday 22:39

You need to sort out your muddled thinking.

Consider that he need not be handcuffed in the situation he was in.

He is scum, as is anyone who claims Victim when they are in fact the aggressor.

He has disgraced his family, faith and community. He has set back their Social Standing by years. Decades

He may be responsible for more deaths as time goes on - not least their own.

I'm glad at least one officer has resigned. I cannot imagine the awful guilt those dealing with Henry must endure.

I don't understand your post.
He was a suspect in a murder ?
Henry was a suspect in a race crime incapacitated on the floor and he was handcuffed

Didyousaynutella · Today 07:01

People are protesting that the race card was played and the white victim was not given the benefit of the doubt by police yet again. Even as he lay dying. To put an injured dying man in handcuffs just because the race card was used was indicative of our current times. It is a terrible shame that it was the peaceful Sikh community that has been tarred but it would have been the same reaction from police had it been any ethnic minority group.
The police need a wake up call. It’s typical that the left is already shaming white people for protesting it. They don’t see what they have created in this country. They don’t acknowledge the role they have played.

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