AIBU to feel deeply unsettled by the Southampton protest scenes?

[HopelessPessimist]

Southampton protest against police, huge crowd, Tommy Robinson whipping everyone into a frenzy and saying "this IS about race"

Other speakers declaring that England is a Christian country. The Lords Prayer chanted by every speaker. The leader of UKIP saying he will deport all migrants and make government Christian. The leaders of the protest saying they are being pushed by the police cordon, while the camera angle shows the police haven't moved. The leaders of the protest mocking the female police officer who are taking over a shift from another police officer in the cordon "They're replacing all the men with women!"

This is awful. It feels like the start of civil war. Maybe human beings just aren't supposed to go decades without a fight.

I know it drives me mad!!

None of the police officers, victims or perpetrators were black in this scenario.

Yet there are multiple posters claiming George Floyd was a criminal a drug addict - it literally has no bearing on this case what so ever.

I don’t understand how anyone sees this situation and immediately uses it as an excuse to insult black people.

Was he definitely disbelieved because of his race though or because people can claim to be injured when they're being cuffed? I watch a lot of cop shows and they're always yelling that they can't breathe.

Intolerant of other religions? You mean like how the muslim attacked the jews a few weeks ago? Don't see Christians going around stabbing people, also don't see any Christians on terror watches.

So, do you actually believe your own hype (I'm being polite here) @Quokkas?

You said
"Lots of march attendees are against antisemitism whilst also supporting Gaza."

Can you please explain to me exactly where/how/why you got your 'belief' that many of the march attendees are against antisemitism, even though they are protesting about the Jewish people, and in doing so they are supporting the atrocious attack by Hamas on the Jewish people on 7th October 2023? That attack has been described by our own - British - Government as "the worst attack on Jewish people since the Holocaust..."
Any person with any sense knows that all of those march attendees hate the Jewish people. Therefore, Quokkas, you are either being very disingenuous by trying to suggest anything else, or you are being incredibly naive?

As for your statement that

" If the marches were really antisemitic, the government would have banned them years ago"

I really don't know whether to laugh hysterically, or to cry incredulously!
I really am still struggling to decide whether you are just incredibly naive, but possibly with a misguided good heart, or whether you have so little regard for your fellow Mumsnetters, that you think you can deceive us with a few ridiculous posts on this thread? If the latter is in fact true, I would have to believe that instead of having a naive but basically good heart, that you actually have a heart not far off from being, well, evil. So I am hoping that you are almost unbelievably naive!

I was answering @SleeplessInWhereverwho wondered about whether Sikhs were added to racists’ agendas - that is what I was on about - the changing focus of high profile racists.

Spot on. Any religion can become a useful tool of oppression and brutality.

Simples, the immigrant gets poor treatment while the British person gets a pass.

The kicker here is that the immigrant in this event was white, and the British person was not.

Accent indicating Britishness trumps skin colour.

I've just read that two tier policing is actually a thing !!

Well I have worked in crime for years and never once have I seen handcuffs being applied to an incapacitated person, nor have I seen anybody claim to have been stabbed when they haven’t. But what do I know…

You've just summed up that multiculturalism doesn't work.

The modern West, in contrast, is built on secular democracy, liberal humanism, rational philosophy and science. We have largely managed to push Middle Eastern religion into the realm of "personal belief", and progress in that secular direction can be expected to continue.

Where has this got us, @BeanQuisine ? Liberal humanism has created societal dissonance, whereas Christianity gave us common ground. We don't have entirely secular democracy, although since Charles came along it certainly feels that way.

You need to sort out your muddled thinking.

Consider that he need not be handcuffed in the situation he was in.

He is scum, as is anyone who claims Victim when they are in fact the aggressor.

He has disgraced his family, faith and community. He has set back their Social Standing by years. Decades

He may be responsible for more deaths as time goes on - not least their own.

I'm glad at least one officer has resigned. I cannot imagine the awful guilt those dealing with Henry must endure.

I watch a lot of cop shows and they're always yelling that they can't breathe.

If you are yelling you normally can breathe.

It’s the people who are quiet who are usually in the most precarious position. I learned that in a first aid course at school, I’m sure the police have a tad more training?

Ah the Welsh choirboy narrative?
Are you aware that his previous headmistress was concerned about his potential for knife violence but was shut down when she tried to escalate due to concerns about perceived racism
I know that doesn't fit with your narrative.
This is the problem- an inability to even address issues because being called racist is the worst thing in chattering circles- worse even than murder.

I don’t get what George Floyd has to do with the case of a Sikh man killing a white man and having white police officers immediately believe his and his family’s accounts. No other ethnic groups are involved in this yet they are dragging them into it.

They’re not protesting Jewish people though are they - they’re protesting the Zionist government of Israel.

I said upthread there are quite a few Jewish groups marching alongside, so you can’t say everyone on a Palestine March is anti-semitic.

I appreciate there are some difficult aspects within this/these marches, but being factual helps.

Im not sure what relevance this has to Nowak’s death - unless it’s we should recall Farage - the great defender of the white person and inciter of riots against Nowak’s family wishes - definitely has voiced some revolting anti semitism.

Yes. The only person who made this about race was the perpetrator himself. He used his own race & religion to try to get away with murder. Absolutely deplorable actions and I think the 21 year tariff he got is nowhere near long enough. He is the racist in this awful situation.

I do believe the Police have some serious questions to answer, too. I do worry about their training and whether it prioritises trying to prove there isn’t any institutional racism over fair policing.

Excactly . It’s like ‘The Emperor’s New Clothes’.
the time has come to rise up and call it out!

Well obviously because of his race, because how else would Digwa have been able to play the police with the racism thing if he hadn't bee white?

The Daily Echo is running a live update page, looks like a full scale riot has broken out.

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/26157394.hundreds-protest-henry-nowak-murder-arrest---live-updates/

Why has his action set back an entire ethnic group’s “social standing” for years? Is collective punishment going to be your standing for everybody?

What a load of ignorant rubbish. Our whole law system (equality), architecture, schools (which were started by the Church are all grounded in Christianity. Islamic societies are totally different from ours as are those based on other religions. You are right that medieval times weren't great though. A total deflection from the subject though.

If he had been anything but Sikh he could have “played the racism thing” too.

It currently is for the Jewish and Israeli community. A very 2026 trend.

I think it’s find to protest outside the station. The police have a lot to answer for here.