AIBU to feel deeply unsettled by the Southampton protest scenes?

[HopelessPessimist]

Southampton protest against police, huge crowd, Tommy Robinson whipping everyone into a frenzy and saying "this IS about race"

Other speakers declaring that England is a Christian country. The Lords Prayer chanted by every speaker. The leader of UKIP saying he will deport all migrants and make government Christian. The leaders of the protest saying they are being pushed by the police cordon, while the camera angle shows the police haven't moved. The leaders of the protest mocking the female police officer who are taking over a shift from another police officer in the cordon "They're replacing all the men with women!"

This is awful. It feels like the start of civil war. Maybe human beings just aren't supposed to go decades without a fight.

This has been brewing for a long time. Silencing and censorship has now lead to uncontained bigots to control the narrative. I don’t agree with the likes of TR and NF, but I have seen how damaging concepts like unexamined and unchallenged concepts such as white privilege and the inbuilt hierarchy which places race and trans issues above all else means it has lead to dangerous influence of many of our institutions. Unfortunately this influence now runs deep - even with changes in actual law, such as the meaning of sex, it still has to fight against policies entrenched with narrow minded and dangerous narratives.

I grew up in N Ireland - religion is a convenient weapon - the churches need to condem
the use of religion to fuel hatred

Someone who brought facts to the table instead of ‘feelz’ - but no one can tell you what to believe of course, I’d just say blind faith can be a terrible thing and not always justified especially when it’s placed in random strangers or hostile actors.

You’d like me to answer the notion that the monstrous army of Christianity is awakening?

I’m sorry, but I can’t. Not with any seriousness.

It’s giving “the crusades” and last I checked this isn’t the 11th century.

And Southport.
And Manchester arena.

To be fair Christianity as made popular by the establish church is pretty far from the teachings of Jesus.

I mean statistically if your children are white they will be treated better by the police than if they are non white.

https://yjlc.uk/resources/legal-updates/racial-disparity-stop-and-search-new-report-calls-greater-scrutiny-self

So although this was an undeniably horrific instance, and terrible policing. The fact that your children are white puts them at an advantage with the police over ethnic minorities.

The boy has a name. I know some find it uncomfortable talking about anti-semitism, as much as they do about the taking of Henry's life. Anti-semitism is parallel to Henry Nowak because both make useful idiots uncomfortable. That's a good thing.

Nope, it's both. I am just as devastated about Henry's death. But linking it to remigration, and insisting that Britain is Christian, and smashing up residential streets is too much. I felt the same when I saw a BLM protest in London and the police had brought in horses and protestors were hurling projectiles and hurting the horses. It's unrestrained aggression and I find that unsettling.

They’re just another gaslighting fuckwit making a fool of themselves. It’s quite laughable really. I think they’re on here just looking for an argument.

I think you need to stop trying to insult everyone that doesn't agree with you, and why do you keep banging on about Facebook who even goes on that anymore?? Grow up.

That's very true actually. The security guard who saw something amiss but didn't want to be seen profiling, in Manchester.

It's what the Mums of young black boys have been living with for years. Perhaps we can now all have empathy and understanding with each other and unite to combat knife crime.

Shall we focus on the topic of this thread?

Do we all know this? I don’t have that knowledge.

Can you pull up some facts please and tell us which sectors you are profiling as using the ‘race card’?

Shame you couldn't have introduced that balance in your OP.

No of course not but I do judge people who stupidly believe opinions over facts.

I would hope everyone would feel the same.

If I said that I don’t believe water is wet because some random, anonymous poster said it on MN - you would think I was pretty stupid and judge me.

That is how I feel about people who are gullible and believe opinions over factual data.

Oh well I'm sure thats a great comfort to Mr and Mrs Nowak

Black men get higher sentences for the same offences. Government statistics:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2024/statistics-on-ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2024-html

I would say that the majority are not Jewish though. Of course in a march of thousands there might be some Jewish people who disagree with Israel defending their country from terrorists, for various reasons. But I would bet an huge majority aren’t.

An ex police officer very senior said exactly the same thing on TV this morning. The police are so woke and has been that way for the last 20 plus years.
it’s a huge problem. Whites discriminated against.

Isn't that the point of training? To enable them to remain calm and NOT be overly influenced by jumping to assumptions?

But "ethnic minorities" aren't even a minority in London any more. Also it's a fact that knife crimes are disproportionately committed by black youths, so not targetting that more likely demographic actually leads to more deaths of other black youths, but hey at least we weren't racist?

Possibly so. But possibly he was just lying to support a political agenda. It happens.

I’m aware of that, thank you.

We don’t need to draw parallel arguments.

The argument about an 18 year old dying is absolutely argument enough by itself.

You’re dragging in other things you disapprove of, and doing so minimises the conversation about him.

Today, his death is what counts.