AIBU to feel deeply unsettled by the Southampton protest scenes?

[HopelessPessimist]

Southampton protest against police, huge crowd, Tommy Robinson whipping everyone into a frenzy and saying "this IS about race"

Other speakers declaring that England is a Christian country. The Lords Prayer chanted by every speaker. The leader of UKIP saying he will deport all migrants and make government Christian. The leaders of the protest saying they are being pushed by the police cordon, while the camera angle shows the police haven't moved. The leaders of the protest mocking the female police officer who are taking over a shift from another police officer in the cordon "They're replacing all the men with women!"

This is awful. It feels like the start of civil war. Maybe human beings just aren't supposed to go decades without a fight.

“Ban woke bullshit,” I can just see that policy name.

“KCSIE 2027, SENd White Paper, Ban Woke Bullshit.”

Somehow I think they’ll have to be more specific and nuanced than that.

I've no time for the likes of Robinson or Farage etc but as the mother of 2 young white boys I am very concerned. I can't get out of my head the pain and fear of his last moments and if it was my son the rage would burn very brightly.

What statistics? I definitely believe her, why would her husband make that up! Its common knowledge that shit is going on.

Oh yes there were no riots about that because it didn’t fit their racist narrative.

These people do not give a shit about Henry.
They don’t care that he died.

If they had any sort of decency they would take into account the poor grieving family members but they only care about themselves and their agenda.

It's a complete different kind of inequality though. Henry's situation was brought about by police (rightly) seeking to tackle racism in the force but going about it in the wrong way. If unconscious bias training results in police not effectively policing, it's harmful and doesn't help uphold law and order.

I'm no politician but I would have thought that working very closely with all the local communities is a good start, better than top down racism seminar delivered by white middle class Brits who have bought into identity politics. It sounds like the Sikh community raised serious concerns but police just let Digwa go and there were enough interventions for this aggressive man. It sounds similar to Rudakubana, concern were raised but the unstable aggressive male was left to his own devices and his family protected him from the consequences of his actions. I very much doubt that Henry's death will help bring reduce inequalities in how different groups are policed.

Priority 1 is the preservation of life and protection of people from immediate harm.
That generally means that when police respond to any incident, their first concern is:

1. Saving lives and preventing serious injury
2. Protecting the public
3. Protecting officers and other responders
4. Then dealing with evidence, property, investigations, and enforcement actions

In this situation, there was 1 guy on the floor not moving, and he was the one they chose not to believe.

They want the involved police officers to be arrested and not be allowed to resign and keep their police pensions - fine by me.
But they are also saying they want total remigration and a Christian state. That's somehow all got mixed in.

So long as your boys have British accents, they’ll be just fine.

They had about 2 minutes if that most of that was taken up by the murderer and his family making up a random story about what had happened

I think that when someone calls 999 to report that they've been attacked, officers arriving at a chaotic violent scene under high levels of stress are likely to go with that as an initial working assumption. It's not right that they do that, but human psychology is what it is.

(I believe that's the case because statistical evidence shows that it's the case.)

I believe that, if the perpetrator and a number of his family and friends conspire to all tell the same lie to the officers as they arrive, get their story straight, hide the weapon, and claim the perpetrator was attacked and defended himself, it's not inconceivable that the officers would be fooled initially until more evidence is gathered.

I can well imagine this happening whatever the colours of the victims, in fact I've witnessed it (with minor assault, not murder, of course). Police aren't perfectly rational robots, they are turning up to a scene with no idea what to expect, and make mistakes.

Neither of us knows what actually went on in the mind of those officers. The difference is that you've already decided the reason, and assert without evidence that it must therefore be true. Your argument appears to boil down to "I can't imagine it happening for a different reason, so it must be this reason." It's the thinking process of a toddler.

Lastly, I don't really need to "think about what would happen if he was black or brown", because (in reality, not in the imagination of people who have already made up their mind) there continue to be countless instances of such people being treated badly by police and other authorities. Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson don't tend to mention them, though, so they probably don't take up much space in the minds of people who make statements like yours.

I would say that the majority of people marching for Gaza/Palestinians dislike Jewish people, whether they verbalise it, or just think it. I’ve yet to meet anyone supporting Palestinians who say they like Jewish people, and that it’s just the Israeli government/IDF that they hate. Seems to be a blanket dislike.

I believe it

‘Ban woke bullshit’. Okay then.

So what religion should you observe whem you are marching through London shouting from the river to the sea?

You are wrong. He said it in a dismissive tone.

They need to not be afraid of upsetting people rather than just doing their job and finding facts stop pussy footing around “sensitivities”.

Why did they just believe words over a clearly unwell person on the floor. That young man should have been priority over what words were possibly said. Finding out why someone is so out of it pale and limp on the floor with a mouth full of blood.

That should be the priority and call for back up if you need more officers to deal with the other person.

The woke race baiting gaslighting is just off the scale.

I equally support Jewish people and Gazans. I think you are right though - unfortunately a lot of my friends who support Gaza hate Israel and conflate Israel with Jewish people, which is unacceptable.

Yes, he chairs the session but in this case it was an 'unusual step' of him ordering the statement acknowledging Henry Nowak. You can see it in the Telegraph article's blurb on Google if you don't pay for it.

… Is that a religious statement? Or indeed anything to do with what we’re talking about?

”From the river to the sea” is a political statement. Crucifixes are religious.

Those two things are different.

I think this is a very fair point to make.

Ever hear of In hoc Signo? The purpose of any religion is to defend its community from others to draw together a community and therefore its fighters under a common banner, loyal to a common cause and to conquer the enemy. In Britain (and much of the west) Christianity has morphed into some fluffy knitting group but the mechanism for it to be the guiding force of an army, of an empire is there because much of its existence was designed for that purpose it’s a monster that’s been sleeping and is now awakening.

I never mentioned his tone i just stated a fact he said i don't think you have mate as he was checking his back for stab wounds and couldn't see any

But why would they take the story at face value as soon as they arrived at the scene? Surely there must be thousands of incidences where the police turn up and are fed a load of BS by people at the scene of the crime. They need to treat all people there the same to avoid themselves or other members of the public from being harmed.