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AIBU to feel deeply unsettled by the Southampton protest scenes?

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HopelessPessimist · Yesterday 19:02

Southampton protest against police, huge crowd, Tommy Robinson whipping everyone into a frenzy and saying "this IS about race"

Other speakers declaring that England is a Christian country. The Lords Prayer chanted by every speaker. The leader of UKIP saying he will deport all migrants and make government Christian. The leaders of the protest saying they are being pushed by the police cordon, while the camera angle shows the police haven't moved. The leaders of the protest mocking the female police officer who are taking over a shift from another police officer in the cordon "They're replacing all the men with women!"

This is awful. It feels like the start of civil war. Maybe human beings just aren't supposed to go decades without a fight.

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SleeplessInWherever · Yesterday 21:48

SpaceRaccoon · Yesterday 21:44

It's the usual sixth form posturing offensiveness against Christianity, when they'd be the first to shout about Islamophobia.

I’m not even a Christian and even I take issue with TR’s cronies appropriating it like they’re regular church attending, God abiding citizens.

Most of them have likely never encountered a Bible.

I don’t have an issue with Christianity. They’re not Christians.

JHound · Yesterday 21:48

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 21:40

Not when it's in the context of referring to white, working class people who are objecting to immigration. They're always referred to with the most disgusting language that would never be used towards another group. Regardless of the rights or wrongs of objecting to immigration, there's no need to use that type of derogatory language.

That’s not racial profiling unless they are profiling all white people in that way. It’s class profiling although if it’s based on them protesting it’s class and behaviour profiling.

Quokkas · Yesterday 21:49

OneFunBrickNewt · Yesterday 21:30

For the most part, yes as they are protesting against events that have been legally classified as genocide.
Not the minority of protestors who carry anti-semitic messages. I'm the grandson of an Orthodox Jew who had Eastern European Jewish relatives die in the Holocaust...whenever I've been on pro-Palestinian marches I've not seen anything problematic. Can't say the same about the coverage of Far Right protests over the last few years.

Very well said. @Livelovebehappy, please note @OneFunBrickNewt is saying the same as what I’d said in my post - that the pro-Palestine marches only attract a minority of antisemitic protesters. They are not in themselves antisemitic marches.

youalright · Yesterday 21:49

MyLimeGuide · Yesterday 21:47

Same thing. Why are you defending that police officer? (Ex police officer)

Not the same thing at all checking someone not seeing anything and saying I don't think you have mate is completely different to shrugging and saying don't think so mate.

MyLimeGuide · Yesterday 21:49

youalright · Yesterday 21:45

Its horrible and I genuinely feel for the lad and his family but peoples anger is massively misplaced

Why? Why should this just be 'let go'?

fairydustt · Yesterday 21:49

youalright · Yesterday 21:42

He said don't think you have mate as he was checking his back. Watch the video

I just watched the video and this is not accurate at all. He said ‘I don’t think you have mate’ in a patronising tone. If he had checked, he might have noticed that the boy who was saying he had been stabbed had in fact.. been stabbed.

MyLimeGuide · Yesterday 21:49

youalright · Yesterday 21:49

Not the same thing at all checking someone not seeing anything and saying I don't think you have mate is completely different to shrugging and saying don't think so mate.

I saw the video, it wasn't how you are describing it.

Quokkas · Yesterday 21:50

trueredstart · Yesterday 21:45

Really?

Don't you think that it should have been made by the Prime Minister? Instead, he had his arm twisted and he was forced to make a statement. So much for looking out for your people.

The PM did make a statement though. He made one. Which he should have. Is there anything else he should do?

MsJinks · Yesterday 21:50

MyLimeGuide · Yesterday 21:49

Why? Why should this just be 'let go'?

Nowak’s parents requested it?

MsJinks · Yesterday 21:50

MyLimeGuide · Yesterday 21:49

Why? Why should this just be 'let go'?

Nowak’s parents requested it?

MsJinks · Yesterday 21:50

MyLimeGuide · Yesterday 21:49

Why? Why should this just be 'let go'?

Nowak’s parents requested it?

MsJinks · Yesterday 21:50

MyLimeGuide · Yesterday 21:49

Why? Why should this just be 'let go'?

Nowak’s parents requested it?

SpaceRaccoon · Yesterday 21:51

Quokkas · Yesterday 21:50

The PM did make a statement though. He made one. Which he should have. Is there anything else he should do?

Go back in time and make one before Lindsey Hoyle kicked his arse to?

youalright · Yesterday 21:51

MyLimeGuide · Yesterday 21:49

I saw the video, it wasn't how you are describing it.

I suggest you watch it again then as its exactly how im describing it

Livelovebehappy · Yesterday 21:51

JHound · Yesterday 21:32

The white police are terrified of being called racist? Even when disproportionately strip searching black and brown children, disproportionately stopping and searching black and brown people are disproportionately releasing to media criminal mugshots of black suspects?

Yeah…the data suggests it’s not so straightforward.

Which you know has hugely reduced over the last decade, due to policy change in the stop and search process of people of colour. Resulting in knife crime increasing in London on the back of it. Over 50% of knife crime is committed by people of colour in London, which suggests that of course focus should be on these figures and how to reduce them. Whether it’s by more in-school education, or more police presence in these communities. It’s not good enough for people to say ‘nothing to see here’, when there clearly is plenty to see.

hourglass2 · Yesterday 21:51

fairydustt · Yesterday 21:49

I just watched the video and this is not accurate at all. He said ‘I don’t think you have mate’ in a patronising tone. If he had checked, he might have noticed that the boy who was saying he had been stabbed had in fact.. been stabbed.

Yes if you listen to the copper he's very flippant when he says "don't think so mate" it had a "yeah yeah whatever" tone about it

Wellywanda3 · Yesterday 21:51

trueredstart · Yesterday 21:43

The basis of this country is built on Christianity, and it has been since St Augustine arrived at the end of the 6th century.

I challenge you to pick up the Bible, and you will see just how much of the language you use every day is taken straight out of it. Someone saying we don't need Christianity in a modern world is like a fish saying that they don't need water. You live in it, and have no idea how much of our civilisation is built upon it.

This

MyLimeGuide · Yesterday 21:51

youalright · Yesterday 21:51

I suggest you watch it again then as its exactly how im describing it

How would watching it again change what happened?!!

EasternStandard · Yesterday 21:52

youalright · Yesterday 21:45

Its horrible and I genuinely feel for the lad and his family but peoples anger is massively misplaced

Why? It’s a horrible way for an 18 year old to be treated as he died.

Handcuffed and arrested for a crime he didn’t do. Scared and surrounded by people not helping him, including the perpetrator of his fatal stabbing. Surely you can see that?

HopelessPessimist · Yesterday 21:52

NeuroticGingerCat · Yesterday 21:25

People are understandably furious- this is what happens when you demonise the working class while they bear the brunt of the downsides of mass immigration - it's what happens when there is evident two tier policing
I hope you're angry that an Islamic terrorist was able to enter Manchester arena and detonate a bomb because security were too scared to racially profile him- he was seen but not stopped
And I presume you're as angry at the globalise the intifada hate marches that have been a feature of UK life since Hamas brutalised young adults at a music festival-
or do you reserve your anger for the "oiks"

Actually yes, I'm distressed by all of it. The treatment of Palestine, the horrific Hamas attack on Israel, Netenyahu's response, the terrorisation of Jewish people since, racism, Islamaphobia, the rape of girls in the North, the Southport murders, the increase in Nationalism since those, it's all shit and scary and feels like it's careering out of control. I just want to live in less volatile times.

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SpiritAdder · Yesterday 21:52

Broccolish · Yesterday 19:07

I feel far more unsettled as a parent of white young adults in a country where police are more concerned about being called racist than protecting people against violence.

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Why? Are you Polish? Tommy Robinson, UKIP, Farage, Reform and his lot whipped up the frenzy against Polish immigrants in 2015 resulting in murders and attacks then.

But now in 2026, they’re pretending a racially motivated murder of a Polish student could happen to any young white British lad when they’re the ones that started the racism against other Europeans, not the British Sikhs ffs.

Dollymylove · Yesterday 21:52

SleeplessInWherever · Yesterday 21:48

I’m not even a Christian and even I take issue with TR’s cronies appropriating it like they’re regular church attending, God abiding citizens.

Most of them have likely never encountered a Bible.

I don’t have an issue with Christianity. They’re not Christians.

You dont have to be a devout Christian to want this shit show that is Britain to be sorted out

SpaceRaccoon · Yesterday 21:52

MyLimeGuide · Yesterday 21:51

How would watching it again change what happened?!!

I think there's people deliberately lying about what is on the video now.

TriesNotToBeCynical · Yesterday 21:52

SpaceRaccoon · Yesterday 21:45

Because they shouldn't have needed to be told by the Speaker to say something.

It is how the Commons works; the speaker introduces the government statement.

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