AIBU to feel deeply unsettled by the Southampton protest scenes?

[HopelessPessimist]

Southampton protest against police, huge crowd, Tommy Robinson whipping everyone into a frenzy and saying "this IS about race"

Other speakers declaring that England is a Christian country. The Lords Prayer chanted by every speaker. The leader of UKIP saying he will deport all migrants and make government Christian. The leaders of the protest saying they are being pushed by the police cordon, while the camera angle shows the police haven't moved. The leaders of the protest mocking the female police officer who are taking over a shift from another police officer in the cordon "They're replacing all the men with women!"

This is awful. It feels like the start of civil war. Maybe human beings just aren't supposed to go decades without a fight.

It was covered up. I lived in one of these towns at the time. It may not have reached national news but it certainly reached local news about certain police officers and local councillors covering it up. It’s been mentioned many times that the police were sometimes complicit. Please stop dismissing what those poor victims went through. They were failed by everyone including the police

Well, you immediately knew what I meant.

Remember Rotherham, and Rochdale and all those other towns. It keeps happening

Please enlighten us all as to the link between abuse of young by men of mostly Pakistani heritage and the murder of a young man?

Of course they try and cover it up. If Henry’s family hadn’t been resourceful or pursuant, do you think this would have got out.

Why do you think grooming gangs were covered up.

For the most part, yes as they are protesting against events that have been legally classified as genocide.
Not the minority of protestors who carry anti-semitic messages. I'm the grandson of an Orthodox Jew who had Eastern European Jewish relatives die in the Holocaust...whenever I've been on pro-Palestinian marches I've not seen anything problematic. Can't say the same about the coverage of Far Right protests over the last few years.

The marches in support of Gaza are NOT antisemitic. They do attract a lot of antisemites, which is awful, but in themselves they are absolutely not antisemitic.

Some of the adults in the room don't need to "move forward"

Do you understand why it was specifically a knee?

Best to ignore the couple of posters trying to dilute the direction the thread has taken. There have been more subtle attempts today.

omg now you’re just arguing back for the sake of it! Can’t be arsed with you!

It would also be deeply undemocratic. Why do you think it is rent a crowd rather than concerned, and angry, citizens?

Bollocks. Have you seen the footage? The FIRST THING the police were told was that he had 'a mouthful of blood'. They did NOTHING to check him over apart from look at his face amd when he said he'd been stabbed the male office said 'I dont think so mate'. They didn't even ask for an ambulance until after they'd cuffed him - whilst he was lying immobile on the floor, just about to die.

https://x.com/i/status/2061555027261497774

Its in record that the abuse is Oldham was covered up by local officials and the police. And ex councillor blew the whistle on this.

The white police are terrified of being called racist? Even when disproportionately strip searching black and brown children, disproportionately stopping and searching black and brown people are disproportionately releasing to media criminal mugshots of black suspects?

Yeah…the data suggests it’s not so straightforward.

Oh dear 🤦‍♀️

If you cannot see the difference between the examples you have given then my mind boggles.

Why not do some research into it all before commenting.

Or simply question how many white men have died at the hands of white police officers due to them disbelieving he was not a racist?

Exactly, meanwhile in another town a councillor knew about it and covered it up. They were all complicit. The police mainly turned a blind eye for fear of being racist but it’s well known some of them even took part in the abuse themselves!

How was i dismissing what Henry Nowak went through? And who are the other victims?

All I said it’s not appropriate to compare his murder to antisemitism and I didn’t think it was covered up on purpose, because often with cases, you don’t hear about them until they get to court. That’s it.

I dont know why I’m bothering but it seems disrespectful to HN not to point out that Henry Nowak was a person who was there and gave information. For some reason you are STILL saying that what he said doesn’t matter. PLEASE STOP

Not you personally

The collective you

Stop being disingenuous. The link, if you’ve missed all the tv coverage, newspaper articles and long MN discussion, is that the police, due to DEI and/or fear of racism accusations, failed to act properly.

The KS take the knee thing for that poor young man is just sheer stupidity. Well done whoever came up with it though.

I don’t understand personally how Tommy Robinson is allowed this sort of platform. The family of Henry didn’t want this irrespective of anyone’s thoughts their feelings should rightfully be respected. Any respectful protest should come from their direction. Yes people are angry, I am furious myself but our feelings are nothing in comparison to a Mother who has laid her son to rest.

That’s backward, not forward.

Look I’m going to help you because you probably think that you have a clever argument but you really don’t.

Many white British people have been trained to think that being white British is some kind of thing to be ashamed of, that our history is evil, that they have some kind of racist default unless they cede to every belief and demand of non-white groups. We have been trained via educational establishments and the media together with many state and cultural institutions too believe white people are bad. Two tier policing exists, people have been pointing it out for years yet white people have just been shouted down by the white people who have been brainwashed to self flagate over their own race, culture and history.

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But the other poster is defending the indefensible. Or on a wind up.