AIBU to feel deeply unsettled by the Southampton protest scenes?

[HopelessPessimist]

Southampton protest against police, huge crowd, Tommy Robinson whipping everyone into a frenzy and saying "this IS about race"

Other speakers declaring that England is a Christian country. The Lords Prayer chanted by every speaker. The leader of UKIP saying he will deport all migrants and make government Christian. The leaders of the protest saying they are being pushed by the police cordon, while the camera angle shows the police haven't moved. The leaders of the protest mocking the female police officer who are taking over a shift from another police officer in the cordon "They're replacing all the men with women!"

This is awful. It feels like the start of civil war. Maybe human beings just aren't supposed to go decades without a fight.

Do you approve of Palestinian marches etc?

Dreadfully sad for that poor family. Even in the midst of their grief they feared this utter stupidity.

The police surely are trained not to take account of anyone getting a version of events across in these types of scenarios without assessing the situation in front of them with an open mind initially, and making sure all those there are safe and cared for appropriately.

You should be more unsettled that a young man was allowed to drown in his own blood whilst begging the police for help.
Oh and of course that he was stabbed five times for no reason by a lying little shit who compounded the stabbing by lying about it and denying Henry the life saving care he deserved.

If Nowak was black? Oh 100% they would have acted the same way.

Or an American criminal to a promising University student. Yeah thick I agree.

I’m not sure what you’re saying here, that he would have been believed as a black or brown man? I don’t think so at all, in fact the opposite is true.

Looks like the police did everything they could to avoid this getting out. Digwa’s family are only just being prosecuted now.

The media also tried to cover it up.

First, they let the crime happen, then they cover it up. Then the gaslight you into thinking there’s nothing to see here.

Remember Rotherham, and Rochdale and all those other towns. It keeps happening.

Why? Is a speech not appropriate enough?

And the poster was simply saying that Jewish fears were being dismissed! Get over yourself and stop being pathetic!

You are obviously too young to remember the Irish Troubles. Plenty of civilian lives both in Ireland and the mainland affected by the bombing campaign. Unfortunately, pre digital age it is a period of history that has been buried. I was at uni in Birmingham in the early 80s, the aftermath of the Birmingham bombings was still echoing loudly. One of our introductions to emergency medicine was a series of candid photos taken in the aftermath and used in training for future mass casualty events. Those images have stayed with me over the years.

I watched the body cam videos on the news this morning in utter horror. I have a 21yr old DS currently at uni in a big city. I definitely worry, particularly when knife crimes are reported. At least those officers will have to live with the consequences of their actions for the rest of their lives. Little comfort for the young man’s family. Any mother who cannot empathise is no mother in my opinion.

Although many of the protesters in Southampton may be jumping on the political bandwagon, there will be a core group that are there out of pure empathy for the young man’s family.

In all fairness, there will be lots of medics who have been caught out by hidden bleeding.

'Blood on the floor...and 4 more' is a saying for a reason.

These officers were working in a dark driveway with multiple people shouting at them and misdirecting them.

I am not for a second saying any of it is ok at all.

I don’t think he was racist.
Where have I said that?

There has been absolutely no evidence that he was ever racist and even his family have condemned any form of making this into a race issue.

People claiming that they were racially profiling him are frankly just dumb and repeating something that they must have heard from someone else.

This would not have happened if the person he was supposed to have attacked was white or if it was a woman etc.

Therefore it was not Henry they were racially profiling because their treatment of him was dependent on the ‘victim’s’ race and not of his own.

The place society is going is towards a Reform government, I'm afraid. And every incident like this makes it a bit more likely.

What the hell is a Palestine march? If you mean people opposing the most hideous torture and killing in Gaza say so.

I don’t think anyone covered it up? It’s just it’s taken this long to get to court.

Lindsay Hoyle ordered the Government to deliver a statement about Henry Novak. So no, a speech is not appropriate enough.

Not when the speaker prompted him into making it no.

Don’t hold your breath. This is not a woke cause.

Thank you for saying this @Vinvertebrate

Agree totally. I see this event was in Southampton - my family's home town though I don't live there - which is where Henry Novak died handcuffed in police custody because the attending officers assumed the story they were told about a racist attack was true and thus did not bother to check whether Henry Novak was injured. That he said 'I can't breathe' several times before losing consciousness is savagely ironic considering what was happening - it was assumed that a brown person was telling the truth and a white person lying, without making sure this was the case. I believe an air ambulance was called when it was eventually realised that Henry Novak had life-threatening injuries but by then he was dead.

I’m betting the poster does, and approves of the weekly anti semitic (racist) marches taking place in London. Some think racism is a one way street unfortunately…

Do you not know how it works? We are taught that we ARE all racist, and that we have to constantly strive to overcome our racism. We’re not told, we’re all racist and that means we can just blithely act in a racist manner.

Yes the white police. The white police are terrified of being called racist. They let a man die because of it.
do try to keep up!!

No they weren’t. And you know it. They were comparing antisemitism to Henry Nowak’s murder. That’s comparing apples and pears. It’s so offensive. How about you get over yourself and do some antisemitism awareness training?