AIBU to feel deeply unsettled by the Southampton protest scenes?

[HopelessPessimist]

Southampton protest against police, huge crowd, Tommy Robinson whipping everyone into a frenzy and saying "this IS about race"

Other speakers declaring that England is a Christian country. The Lords Prayer chanted by every speaker. The leader of UKIP saying he will deport all migrants and make government Christian. The leaders of the protest saying they are being pushed by the police cordon, while the camera angle shows the police haven't moved. The leaders of the protest mocking the female police officer who are taking over a shift from another police officer in the cordon "They're replacing all the men with women!"

This is awful. It feels like the start of civil war. Maybe human beings just aren't supposed to go decades without a fight.

Yes you have gone all around the houses. It’s quite obvious what that poster was talking about but you turned it into something bigger than it was meant to be! Get over it

I am not in favour of marches or protests but…

Why were BLM protests and chucking statues into the harbour GOOD or weekly Palestinian marches GOOD but this protest is BAD ?

Also it’s funny how the usual anti-police brigade are suddenly defending them here. Weasly hypocrites.

Shark jumped. 🦈

How am I downplaying it please?

How do you think Tommy is helping please?

I’m not sure what you are saying isn’t true? Also unclear why you think I have any time for Tommy Robinson.

How?

No, caring about young white men is not racist and I feel for Henry Nowak and think the police officers acted atrociously.

But that's not what this thread is about. The op clearly states that they are worried by Tommy Robinson making this about race and ukip saying all foreigners should be deported. They are worried about a race war and irrespective of the motivation of the police officers who killed Henry nowak it's pretty clear who will be targeted and bear the brunt in a race war. Well, in case it's not clear, please rest assured it's not white people. Also, It's ridiculous to think that white people are more at risk to suffer from police brutality than people of colour.

And the post I called racist totally dismissed those worries and condoned if not agreed with Tommy Robinson's and ukip's words and the fact they are whipping up everyone into a racist frenzy. That is what is racist. To think that innocent people of colour like my children are acceptable collateral damage. To think it's ok to demonise us and whip up hatred and violence against us. That's clearly racist and it worries me that people can't see that

Why do think they dismissed Henry who said he couldn’t breathe nine times, and I’ve been stabbed four times but believed the perpetrator who had fatally stabbed him?

Get over what? Henry Nowak’s murder is not comparable to antisemitism. Stop acting like it is. It’s fucking offensive!

This case is horrific in every sense. Henry deserved better, his family deserve better, the murderer deserves to rot in jail and the police officers should be sacked and have Henry's death on their conscience for the rest of their lives. However, there is a wider issue in society at the moment of fragility amongst certain white people. The below quote sums it up “When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."

No one is dismissing your identity. The expression 'race card' means that a claim of racism is being used as a rhetorical tactic to influence the outcome of a dispute, discourage scrutiny, or elicit sympathy.

I'm not keen on this term as it can trivialise experiences of actual racism. Vickrum Digwa however used false allegations of racism to deflect blame and trick police after he fatally stabbed Henry. He played the race card.

He is clearly not the brightest either if he thought he could get away with his big fat lies. Tosser. Now his whole family have time to think about what they should have done differently, hopefully for a very long time.

Yes, the Far Right are out in force this week, and on Mumsnet it seems.
I abhor the murder and think the police reaction was totally wrong, but I'm not a thick racist so I don't feel the need to go on a violent, racist protest. I suppose it's the Farage- Robinson- Lucy Connolly supporters for the most part, ignoring the wishes of the Nowak family. They explicitly said they don't want these protests to take place.

You are being pathetic! If you’re trying to say the other poster was somehow trying to cause offence to the Jewish community when they were clearly defending them then you’re more stupid than I thought!

I can see it and it’s shit. I’m sorry. Tommy Robinson should be in prison, to be honest. I do mean that. And Nigel Farage shouldn’t be allowed to be an MP.

Decades without a fight? We had riots in the 00s all over the UK, I grew up in Bradford so remember it well. Also had the riots in 2011 and again in 2024 across the country. It’s nothing new.

The police didn't even bother to remove the handcuffs until the female officer realised that his pupils weren't reacting. Which was after he had been completely unresponsive for quite a while- I think he might have actually been totally unresponsive while the male officer read him his rights.

Christianity has always been more fundamental in the US but that is what happens when the likes of Puritans, hardliners etc come to settle.

So you think the police would have acted in the same way if he had been black or brown? Come on now …

YANBU. The stupid fucks can’t even distinguish Sikhism from Islam. They’re just all so thick.

That’s not racial profiling that’s class profiling.

No, of course other police officers shouldn't be attacked because of the actions of those two police officers.

However, I do wish @youalright that you would stop calling their decision a "mistake". If your child had an operation to remove a mass from their left kidney, but the surgeon made a mistake and removed the right kidney instead, would you call that a mistake as well?

IMO mistakes do not lead to the death of a person, or to them dying terrified and in pain. The fact that he was actually a completely innocent, teenager, at the very beginning of his adult life, just compounds the tragedy even more. What those officers did is classed as

"Criminal Negligence Manslaughter" (CNM), which can be described as "A gross deviation from a reasonable standard of care",

and in not admitting that, their superiors are just escalating things even more, and should now also be considered at serious fault. The police officers who made that atrocious decision have not - unfortunately - actually broken the law, in as much as they can't be prosecuted for their terrible decisions, but their behaviour was so negligent, that they should lose both their jobs, and their police pensions.

I’m still waiting for Keir Starmer to take the knee in memory of Henry Nowak.

People are understandably furious- this is what happens when you demonise the working class while they bear the brunt of the downsides of mass immigration - it's what happens when there is evident two tier policing
I hope you're angry that an Islamic terrorist was able to enter Manchester arena and detonate a bomb because security were too scared to racially profile him- he was seen but not stopped
And I presume you're as angry at the globalise the intifada hate marches that have been a feature of UK life since Hamas brutalised young adults at a music festival-
or do you reserve your anger for the "oiks"

I’m being pathetic? The other poster was making a stupid comparison. You’ll never know what it feels like to be in fear of your life every time you leave the house. That’s what the Jewish community have to face every day. Henry Nowak was not in fear of his life every time he left his house.