2 Tier Britain and Policing - Digwa

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Just heard Nigel talk about this on LBC following Digwa sentencing. Also saw the video... I'm shocked and so saddened. Not sure what my aibu is but I think we need to ban all religious weapons for a start . What do u think ? Are you in police ? Are you treating people differently?

But do you think it’s acceptable to set things on fire, throw objects at police personnel, and damage the property of locals who are absolutely uninvolved?

I don’t think anyone would dispute that protest is reasonable, but when it becomes a riot rather than a protest, we have to draw the line.

You think the violence against the police is justified? 11 were injured.

Police officers were falsely identified on X, they are now in hiding. Is that what you want to justify?

This wasn't outrage, this was violence.

Expressing outrage is fine. Violence is not. The people living where the thugs were rioting were terrified.

14 injuries in BLM riots that was freedom of speech though remember?

I don't support anyone getting injured but when someone is treated with such neglect and incompetence by some stupid police and they die so horribly then people will get outraged.

It was 27 police officers injured during the "mostly peaceful BLM protests"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52954899?at_custom2=twitter&at_campaign=64&at_medium=custom7&at_custom3=%40BBCNews&at_custom4=869F42A0-A8A8-11EA-980E-9DA2C28169F1&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D

Oh a pp said there wasn't any riots, there wasn't any violence. We all imagined it!
The politicians 'took the knee' jumped on the bandwagon of 'polticising' the whole tragic death of someone in the US yet somehow NF raising very valid concerns about 2 tier policing in this country is so very wrong and others on different threads want him chucked in jail.

Taking the knee was a response to a massive movement worldwide at a time when the political environment was very different. If Henry Nowak were to inspire a similar movement I'm sure the politicians of the day will seize on the trend, they are politicians.

So do you acknowledge there was violence at the BLM protests then? Or are you still in denial?

It was 'politicising' <as you like to say> a death, that one which occurred in another country. Starmer was jumping on the bandwagon and 'showing solidarity' surely encouraged all the fist waving riots.

You have to make your mind up. Either politicians should show solidarity and outrage for tragic events or they shouldn't. Seems you think it depends on who the victim is.

Sounds very much like you are justifying it.

Violence is never acceptable. But these youths deserve to at least be given a clear sheet of do’s and don’t. And reminded of it every single time. How about the police carry something listing the rules every single time as well then is imaged at every single protest.
Democracy only works when people are educated to a basic level. If they are radicalised in a power and morale vacuum instead, this is the result.

You honestly believe that large groups of young people (they’re not all young either) genuinely don’t know better than to smash up cars and throw things at police men?

Like that’s a genuine gap in their knowledge?

“You honestly believe that large groups of young people (they’re not all young either) genuinely don’t know better than to smash up cars and throw things at police men?
Like that’s a genuine gap in their knowledge?”

Yes @ChunkyMonkey36 - I think they have been radicalised online to think that is somehow OK and a way to protest. I think they largely know there will be legal repercussions, but that is probably their version of martyrdom think.
And it is the establishment’s job to stop that radicalisation and reeducate them or at the very least try. Because it is pretty clear what is happening.

And of course Nigel Farage also knows what he is doing in the name of pointing out the flaws in the system, supposedly. But he can only get away with that because Labour are being passive and incompetent. Now some of you seem to think not rising to the bait is the way to go. But clearly it hasn’t worked yet again.

Isn't this an exact c&p of someone's else's comment at 11.54 from the 'lock Farage up' thread?
Did you mean to quote it there and say you agree?

@Araminta1003 I’d be inclined to agree that there are groups who are easier to radicalise and convince that behaviour is acceptable. That’s exactly what the Prevent system is for.

But, there has to be a level of accountability IMO. If they know there’s likely legal repercussions, they know it’s wrong, and should do better.

49 police officers referred to here;

Police call for apology from bosses after 49 officers injured during anti-racism protests.

https://news.sky.com/story/police-call-for-apology-from-bosses-after-49-officers-injured-during-anti-racism-protests-12002875

I don’t know why you keep trying to compare George Floyd to Henry Nowak, it’s a totally false equivalence. Floyd was killed by a white policeman who had a knee on his neck for nine minutes, a person in a position of power and authority killed him. That’s why the BLM movement happened.

Nowak was stabbed by a member of the public who lied about being racially abused and the (also white) police did not act in the way they should, resulting in his death. They did not kill him. He did not receive the help he needed and deserved, although he would have probably died anyway.

Also, people of colour have been victims of systemic racism for decades. Things like this rarely happen to white people in comparison. Nobody sees an issue with that, there is never any uproar about that. In fact, the black person usually gets accused of having done something to deserve it or provoke it. The minute it happens to a white person, people have all the sympathy in the world, white people start playing the victim and saying how white lives matter. Not nice, is it?

Both incidents should never have happened and were totally tragic and needless. However the false equivalence and victimhood are driving me mad reading these comments. It’s opportunistic.

Noooo there wasn't any violence just lots of people quietly 'taking the knee' apparently. We imagined it all.

Well we didn't, which begs the question why do some folk think it's ok for politicians to incite unrest by silly gestures in support of a 'movement' but think we should all be quiet when a young man is treated so appallingly by some plods in this country.

I just do not get the very very selective outrage depending on the colour of the victim's skin.

Not really.

The police is 92% white and the lack of diversity in the police itself has been a matter under discussion for many years. So instead they bring in policies that have clearly not worked and resulted in an absurd outcome. All reasonably foreseeable.

Just like the online radicalisation of white poor youth in this country. Again, been an issue that has been discussed and not sorted for decades. And now you have billionaires and all sorts exploiting them.

Prevent needs to go much further and be online and monitoring X and all these platforms. And offering help and there has to be far more done for this generation of angry people.
We cannot just pretend that young men are not being radicalised (and it is not just white young men, we know this).
Social media is the Wild West currently. It needs addressing.

'I don’t know why you keep trying to compare George Floyd to Henry Nowak, it’s a totally false equivalence'

You need to read the thread. Others have suggested NF is <checks notes> 'politicising' Henry's tragic death so some of us have put forward the accurate <not false> equivalence of look how Starmer how politicised a death in the US, so he should not be telling others what they can be outraged about.

I hope this does become a movement. A change in how the police assess a situation. At the very least book them all in for a first aid course so they can assess a critically ill person effectively rather than handcuff them.

"Also, people of colour have been victims of systemic racism for decades. Things like this rarely happen to white people in comparison."

I take it you are not aware of the thousands of vulnerable, young white girls who were groomed and gang raped by predominately Pakistani men, and ignored by the authorities...for decades.

It wasn't curiously selective at all. I was only quoting from Hansard - I can't post something Starmer forgot to say.

The two incidents are completely incomparable. One was deliberately killed by an authority figure, the other was killed by a member of the public. One was part of a minority group that had been subjected to systemic abuse for decades, the other wasn’t.

If you can’t see how the two are contextually very different, that’s on you. Although I’d suspect deliberate ignorance.

Both incidents should not have been allowed to happen and those involved deserve punishment. I just find it very interesting indeed how it’s all OK until it happens to one of our group, and then all of a sudden people tie themselves in knots to claim they’re being victimised. Laughable.

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