2 Tier Britain and Policing - Digwa

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Just heard Nigel talk about this on LBC following Digwa sentencing. Also saw the video... I'm shocked and so saddened. Not sure what my aibu is but I think we need to ban all religious weapons for a start . What do u think ? Are you in police ? Are you treating people differently?

Oh, I’ll clarify with an example for you.

I’m originally from Middlesbrough.

The groups of young men who smashed up mosques and streets that are known to be largely inhabited by immigrants, during the Southport riots, were racist.

The men who set up road blocks that they would only allow white people through, were racist.

They were racist because they specifically targeted non-white communities. Which is racism.

That’s not peaceful protest, and it is racism.

But you’re not those people, are you. So if you’re just concerned, and not smashing up your local area, or violently targeting non-white people in your area, nobody has called you anything.

They’ve just called racists, racists.

I don’t understand why the Government has not put out an advertising video of what constitutes a peaceful protest. So no violence, no clashes with police, no throwing things around, no placards with hate speech on them (this was debated in the context of the Palestine marches).
I think we need guidance on what is and is not acceptable.
The Labour Party are not leading effectively enough. We know there are too many protests and rioting. They need to clarify.

Like I said, I live in London. I have inadvertently witnesses all of it, BLM, endless Palestine marches (relentless), animal riots, Just Oil etc, Tommy Robinson. It is getting quite tedious.

Nah! I’ve been on similar threads where I’ve flat out being called a racist for defending either myself or people who are worried about immigration! I’ve also been called Racist on this thread too… add in to the mix “Tommy Robinson” and “Nigel Farage”!
Ive seen people call those who went to support the pink ladies “racists”!
And this is what people are up against!

I thought Nigel Farage was trying to distance his own party and himself from Tommy Robinson? So what happened?

Did I say you have used it?

I didn't say you had. As for getting heated, you are the one making personal attacks, not me. Can't you see that I am actually agreeing with you about calling people coconuts?

I don't agree that condemnation of Farage is divisive. You like him. I think he is an dangerous, racist and hateful man. He was smirking away at PMQs yesterday when Starmer criticised him for going against the Nowak family's wishes.

I doubt Badenoch would defect to Reform. She is intelligent enough to know that Reform has probably peaked.

I don’t know @OneStarAwake - that may be wishful thinking. GB news is claiming greater footfall in some sections than the BBC and Sky News.

Like I said, Farage gained a lot of ex Tories with money because of economically illiterate Labour policies like private school VAT, Farmers tax, NI rises on small businesses. People who were fed up with the Tories being all over the place but who weren’t going to go Labour instead. Now whether they will go back to the Tories or not I do not know.
If Farage goes more Tommy Robinson again, then he loses the powerful elites because that will be one step too far for them.

Makerfield will be a good test @Araminta1003 . It is very tight at the moment.

That entirely depends on the concerns and whether they’re racist or not.

• I’m concerned about levels of immigration effecting my local services and job availability = fair enough.

• I don’t want to live next door to brown people because they’re not my culture and I think most of them are probably criminals anyway = racist.

There’s more nuance to it than just calling people racist.

Some people, are.

Some people, just can’t get a doctor’s appointment and believe that to be the fault of immigrants.

This thread isn’t even about immigrants. It doesn’t involve any. So I’m not sure why we’re even having the “people call me racist” pity party.

It’s completely irrelevant to a crime that involves two British men.

“This thread isn’t even about immigrants. It doesn’t involve any. So I’m not sure why we’re even having the “people call me racist” pity party.”

No it’s not… but you keep coming back again and again and again to respond! You even jumped on a post where I was replying to someone else which had absolutely nothing to do with you but you quoted me on that too…..which has then led to this constant back and forth since this morning and is now derailing the thread!
You keep banging on about what (you think) constitutes as racism and what doesn’t.
Personally I am absolutely sick and tired of this constant gaslighting merry go round of yours and quoting me on unnecessary posts, then when I respond, you come back again with something else and banging on about what you think is racism! Then when I respond, having the cheek to say that “it’s not what the thread is about”! It’s relentless!

I am now going to stop responding to you. Because you are clearly very goady and just keep coming back again and again for more…. Which is taking the thread away from its intended purpose

Farage's comments were condemned by all parties in the Commons yesterday, so he ran to someone who agrees with him.

Farage keeps shoiwng who he is.

”Makerfield will be a good test. It is very tight at the moment.”

@OneStarAwake - whatever happens there, it will be spun to suit a narrative. If Burnham loses, it will now be blamed on Farage/the Nowak case.

The thing is, the Labour Party infighting has created a power vacuum for Farage to exploit. Instead of leading powerfully, they (Labour) are being too passive. Mahmood’ s speech was good but they should have gone to Southampton.
Let’s not forget there is no overall control in Southampton CC right now either.

We as a country are too passive. This has been going on since before the Brexit referendum. Brexit was something we just let happen by being too passive really. The establishment was too casual and passive about it. There is no leadership and strong common sense leadership is what we need. Even Covid, most of the reaction was too late and too passive. Other than the vaccine roll out but the credit there was not led from the top/

What needs to change is that whoever is in charge needs to be a strong centre ground leader, from a common sense perspective, leading for the majority. It is like everyone cannot see the wood for the trees anymore. A lot of British minorities are actually supporting Farage too because they too feel common sense left the room.
Unfortunately a strong leader is always going to “offend” someone. We need to desensitise people from being so offended by everything.

“Farage's comments were condemned by all parties in the Commons yesterday, so he ran to someone who agrees with him.
Farage keeps shoiwng who he is.”

@TopPocketFind - well of course they did, because nobody wants more rioting and violence on our streets and we know it happens more in the summer and we know young uneducated men get locked up etc and it causes more division and hate.

However, a truly competent Government would have seen this coming miles off and the police should have investigated this incident ages ago and presented conclusions. It is yet another example of passive Government. Not good enough really.

All other parties are respecting the family's wishes.

Local MP's were there.

“All other parties are respecting the family's wishes.
Local MP's were there.”

Hard disagree @TopPocketFind - something bad happens, you show up from the top. It’s the power vacuum and Labour infighting to blame. You can’t be passive like this and just condemn it all in London. It’s just not real leadership. And hiding behind family’s wishes is cowardice. A leader unites people. Staying out of it surely causes more division.

How could a government have predicted this reaction? And how could they have prevented the far right descending on Southampton. Shut down X? Cordon off the city?

Farage knew exactly what he did.

6 months isn't a lot time for a proper investigation especially when the trial was ongoing.

@TopPocketFind - there is very clear precedent with Southport last year. Only a passive incompetent government does nothing.
6 months is ages, it should have been fast tracked and better resourced.
The Met in London managed with the huge TR march recently incredibly well.

Someone needs to be monitoring X and there need to be police and backup on standby. They know this from the Southport riots. They also need to insist X has warnings on the site as to differences in free speech laws between the US and the UK and they need to advertise our laws more widely. Including what constitutes peaceful protests.

Also Mahmood could have gone straight to Southampton and spoken there and she would have done an excellent job. We all know why Starmer would not have sent her. Let’s stop pretending.

Its okay for BLM to riot but when white groups riot for the same reason (asking for justice and for their lives to matter too), they are called "far right". Name calling is playground behaviour.

It's crazy isn't it. Some bleat 'oo stop with the all the hate' but lets call NF something worse than what you scrape off your shoe.

Reform will do well for the very same reasons Trump got in, lefties demonise and get hysterical about alleged 'far right' leaders calling their supporters knuckle daggers and worse totally underestimating the masses who want a leader to lead. Who don't want Starmer's wet pathetic uselessness 'taking the knee' for one cause while trying to shut other protestors up here under the guise that 'it isn't what Henry's family want'.

The family don't want hate and division but the protests are not aimed at Sikhs, they are aimed purely at the incompetence and two tiered policing we all are seeing.

Yes why is this accusation or perception the worse thing than anything else, that’s where it has gone wrong

This

Mahmood gave a statement in the House of Commons, there was no need for her to go to Southampton to do so.

Only one party disrespected the Nowak's family wishes and those rioting were thugs with an agenda who would disregard laws however clearly advertised.

“Mahmood gave a statement in the House of Commons, there was no need for her to go to Southampton to do so.
Only one party disrespected the Nowak's family wishes and those rioting were thugs with an agenda who would disregard laws however clearly advertised.”

No, she should also have gone to Southampton. You show up. It is the basics of leadership. She is blue Labour like Starmer so she is not allowed to outshine him and as a result, the people of Southampton have to suffer for it. They should also have mobilised back up police for Southampton.
Instead, they will what trawl through drone footage and X and do a few lock ups that way like in Southport. That does not work. We know it. It causes more anger and division.

Being too passive is not stopping division. Stopping division comes from a position of strong leadership. They, Labour, need to do far better or they are handing out country on a plate for Nigel Farage and Reform. It is despicable. They are in charge. The buck stops with them for now.

'Only one party disrespected the Nowak's family wishes and those rioting were thugs with an agenda who would disregard laws however clearly advertised'

The family didn't want hate and division. Sikhs were not targeted, the police were. Some Sikhs were at the Southampton protest, standing in solidarity with everyone else.

If my dc had been let down so horrifically by the police I'd welcome public outrage at their utter incompetence.

Also, we do need warnings on all social media platforms like on packets of fags. Remember when everyone smoked because everyone smoked. It is exactly the same thing.
And it is not just under 16s. Loads of old and uneducated people are being radicalised online. At least put some warnings and links to the actual law on websites. So people are warned.
And whilst ignorance of the law has never been a defence, we saw it with Angela Rayner. She got caught out by complex tax laws even.
There is discussion around what is a kirpan in this case. None of it is somehow simple.
Radicalisation of British uneducated working class youth cannot just be dismissed as violent thugs. Their educational and social underachievements have been known to be a big problem by the establishment for years!