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If you are Reform are you ok with this repulsive man potentially becoming an MP and representing women in parliament?

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Johnogroats · 27/05/2026 14:51

Robert Kenyon, the “cheeky local chappie” who is standing for Reform in Makerfield is on record as making some shockingly sexist comments and statements. Reform are standing by him.

Can I ask the women on here who are Reform voters if they are ok with the him remaining a candidate given what I cite below. Btw I am absolutely not, but I’m not and never will be a Reform voter for a variety of reasons.

  1. Retweeting a post about performing a (graphic description) of a sexual act on Carol Voderman.
  2. He has attacked women as being promiscuous and accused them of taking any decision to have an abortion lightly. He wrote, “reproductive rights, women's rights, they can dress it up all they want.
  3. They're deciding to kill a baby inside the womb. What they mean is they want to shag anyone they want. And if they get caught, they get a second chance and treat it as a secondary, last form of contraception.”

Either you think this is ok (don’t understand how anyone let alone a woman could be ok with it) or presumably you’ll be contacting Tice and Farage etc to drop him.

Interested in your thoughts.

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Piggywaspushed · 31/05/2026 12:59

Bushmillsbabe · 31/05/2026 12:30

He won't accelerate the possibility of a Reform government, that could not happen until the next general election. If anything it would do the opposite - a couple of years of him as an MP, and then people would realise how useless he is when he gets nothing done, and hopefully not vote him in when it actually matters.

Against the very potential reality of Burnham as a potential PM, getting in by ousting an elected MP in that area which all feels a bit underhand before the leadership race has even begun, and before it has even been confirmed. To end up with a PM who wasn't even an MP at the last general election feels really wrong to me. That one constituency can decide the leadership of the whole country feels undemocratic, despite it being legally possible. And I get that at a GE people officially vote for their MP, but in reality most are voting for the party with the leader who they feel will do the best job.

Burnham didn't 'oust' anyone. And I'm afraid the Tories pretty much started the trend of a revolving door of prime ministers.

Bushmillsbabe · 31/05/2026 13:04

Rbof · 31/05/2026 12:35

Absolute rubbish.

Which bit?

He has already said he will increase borrowing which will increase national debt, leading to less money for public services mid to longer term due the money needed to pay the interest on this debt - a return to the labour boom and bust policies of old, speed big and then end up in austerity.

He has also suggested that he will call another GE quickly, with the hope that this would give him a bigger mandate in parliament. However, this could backfire spectacularly and we could (based on the local election results) end up with a Reform government which I think most would agree would be a disaster.

His team have even said that he shies away from difficult decisions which could negatively impact on his popularity, which is not what we need as a PM. Such as his decisions around the green belt and congestion zones when we was a mayor in Manchester.

Smeuse · 31/05/2026 13:09

Where has he said all that?

Is your source the Sun by any chance?

Bushmillsbabe · 31/05/2026 13:15

Piggywaspushed · 31/05/2026 12:59

Burnham didn't 'oust' anyone. And I'm afraid the Tories pretty much started the trend of a revolving door of prime ministers.

So Simmons stepping down was absolutely nothing to do with Burnham, just a complete coincidence?

Manchester could end up with Reform mayor, and Makerfield with a Reform MP.

And potentially we could end up with a Reform government. All because Burnham wants to be PM.

Piggywaspushed · 31/05/2026 13:18

Stepping down isn't the same as ousted. Personally ,I want stability so favour Starmer staying in post. But the press are gunning for him whilst also making Burnham appear far more left wing than he is.

You haven't cited the source for your survey of teacher voting yet? I'm curious.

Bushmillsbabe · 31/05/2026 13:46

Piggywaspushed · 31/05/2026 13:18

Stepping down isn't the same as ousted. Personally ,I want stability so favour Starmer staying in post. But the press are gunning for him whilst also making Burnham appear far more left wing than he is.

You haven't cited the source for your survey of teacher voting yet? I'm curious.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/labour-support-among-neu-teachers-collapses-poll-finds

This feeling is being echoed amongst the school I am governor for. They had high hopes for this government, and Starmer had 70% support at time of election, there was a real sense of optimism. Phillips promised 6500 extra teachers by the end of this parliament. The reality is there are actually 400 less FTE teachers than at start of this parliament, and budgets are down 5-10% in real terms. Hopes were super high, only for things yo be even worse than under the conservatives. I work for the nhs and the feeling among my colleagues is much the same.

Yet overall government spending and national debt are up since the start of this parliament. More spending, with less public service funding, which doesn't make much sense to me

Piggywaspushed · 31/05/2026 14:10

Yes, and as I said this shows the rise of support for the Greens! I took part in this poll. This is one union, of course.

Bushmillsbabe · 31/05/2026 16:29

Piggywaspushed · 31/05/2026 14:10

Yes, and as I said this shows the rise of support for the Greens! I took part in this poll. This is one union, of course.

The Greens went from 10% to 23%. Labour dropped from 60% to 18%. So not all those who moved away from labour went to greens, it's not clear which party they shifted to

Piggywaspushed · 31/05/2026 16:35

The not decided I imagine.

Reform were on the same as Your Party and Lib Dems and Tories both dropped.

Clavinova · 31/05/2026 19:29

BIossomtoes · 31/05/2026 10:25

And Farage has gone missing. Most uncharacteristic.

Parliament has been in recess all week - I expect half of the Cabinet have been lounging around a pool in Greece sipping cocktails. Perhaps including Rachel Reeves, who has only posted one thing on X in the last ten days.

BIossomtoes · 31/05/2026 19:47

Clavinova · 31/05/2026 19:29

Parliament has been in recess all week - I expect half of the Cabinet have been lounging around a pool in Greece sipping cocktails. Perhaps including Rachel Reeves, who has only posted one thing on X in the last ten days.

Nice try. Farage would usually be all over a by election he wanted to win, he’d be drinking pints in the local pub and bantering with his admiring entourage. This time - the most significant by election for years - crickets. I can think of at least five million reasons he’s laying low.

Clavinova · 31/05/2026 19:49

5128gap · 30/05/2026 23:56

The website clearly states that the venue is open to people 'from all backgrounds'.
The room is a place set aside to pray.
As Muslims tend to have a greater requirement for a place to pray, than, say, Christians, I imagine they will be the people who most frequently use it.
However I'd be very surprised if Christians or those of others faiths wishing to pray while visiting the foodbank are being refused access to the prayer room.
I'm sure we'd have heard if that were the case.

I expect most mosques in the country would say they are open to people from all backgrounds and faiths. Just up the road, the largest mosque in Wigan 'is open to people of all religious affiliations, men and women' - that doesn't mean it's not really a mosque;

https://www.masjidtooba.co.uk/about

As for the food bank, I'm not entirely convinced there is one in operation.

In the London Economic article there are several quotes;

'The main business is a food bank that anyone who needs it can use, whether they be Jewish, Christian, Muslim or of no faith.'

'it's a food bank with a small prayer room'

Quite clearly from the website, the main business of the mosque is not a food bank;
https://www.wiganrashidamasjid.co.uk/about

Clavinova · 31/05/2026 19:52

WheresMyHatGone · 31/05/2026 07:22

I live in the bloody town, I should know!
Do you??
You seem such an expert on somewhere you probably couldn’t even point out if you were given a map.

As you are local, can you tell us which days the food bank is open?

WheresMyHatGone · 31/05/2026 19:55

Clavinova · 31/05/2026 19:49

I expect most mosques in the country would say they are open to people from all backgrounds and faiths. Just up the road, the largest mosque in Wigan 'is open to people of all religious affiliations, men and women' - that doesn't mean it's not really a mosque;

https://www.masjidtooba.co.uk/about

As for the food bank, I'm not entirely convinced there is one in operation.

In the London Economic article there are several quotes;

'The main business is a food bank that anyone who needs it can use, whether they be Jewish, Christian, Muslim or of no faith.'

'it's a food bank with a small prayer room'

Quite clearly from the website, the main business of the mosque is not a food bank;
https://www.wiganrashidamasjid.co.uk/about

You seem to have ignored my last post to you.
I live in the town. Trust me, it’s a food bank and it helps a lot of people.
Stop trying to make out you know what the building is about, you are making yourself look silly now.
Also, why are you so against mosques? Are people not allowed somewhere to pray?

Clavinova · 31/05/2026 19:57

Piggywaspushed · 31/05/2026 19:48

As an aside, I remember noting (before the 2024 general election) that Angela Rayner had voted considerably more times than Keir Starmer - so he must a bit lazy on the sly.

TheLandlordsAreFrowning · 31/05/2026 20:00

Bushmillsbabe · 31/05/2026 13:15

So Simmons stepping down was absolutely nothing to do with Burnham, just a complete coincidence?

Manchester could end up with Reform mayor, and Makerfield with a Reform MP.

And potentially we could end up with a Reform government. All because Burnham wants to be PM.

Manchester could end up with Reform mayor, and Makerfield with a Reform MP

If Reform win Makerfield, Burnham remains as mayor.

BIossomtoes · 31/05/2026 20:01

Clavinova · 31/05/2026 19:57

As an aside, I remember noting (before the 2024 general election) that Angela Rayner had voted considerably more times than Keir Starmer - so he must a bit lazy on the sly.

More whataboutery.

WheresMyHatGone · 31/05/2026 20:06

Clavinova · 31/05/2026 19:49

I expect most mosques in the country would say they are open to people from all backgrounds and faiths. Just up the road, the largest mosque in Wigan 'is open to people of all religious affiliations, men and women' - that doesn't mean it's not really a mosque;

https://www.masjidtooba.co.uk/about

As for the food bank, I'm not entirely convinced there is one in operation.

In the London Economic article there are several quotes;

'The main business is a food bank that anyone who needs it can use, whether they be Jewish, Christian, Muslim or of no faith.'

'it's a food bank with a small prayer room'

Quite clearly from the website, the main business of the mosque is not a food bank;
https://www.wiganrashidamasjid.co.uk/about

Just had another look at your links.
The ones you have posted are indeed for a mosque, situated in an entirely different part of the town to St Mary’s. You are embarrassing yourself now.

Clavinova · 31/05/2026 20:07

WheresMyHatGone · 31/05/2026 19:55

You seem to have ignored my last post to you.
I live in the town. Trust me, it’s a food bank and it helps a lot of people.
Stop trying to make out you know what the building is about, you are making yourself look silly now.
Also, why are you so against mosques? Are people not allowed somewhere to pray?

Trust me, it’s a food bank

How do people from other faiths know about the food bank if the days and times are not advertised on their website?

Why don't they highlight the food bank here either?

About Us
Wigan Rashida Masjid aims to be a cornerstone of the Muslim community in Wigan. Our mosque serves as a place of worship, education, spiritual development, and community gathering for people from all backgrounds.

We strive to provide a welcoming and inclusive environment that nurtures faith, promotes good character, strengthens community cohesion, and builds positive relationships between diverse communities.

How long has the mosque been open? I would make allowances if it's only been open for a few months and the food bank is not up and running yet.

Johnogroats · 31/05/2026 20:08

Bushmillsbabe · 31/05/2026 09:04

Of course it is reasonablefor you to have brought your boys up that way, i wish more women did. But given that it's apparently a 2 horse race, taking votes away from Kenyon benefits Burnham.

As abhorrent as Kenyon is, he can do limited damage to the country. Burnham on the other hand could, if gets voted in as party leader, do tremendous damage to this country as a whole.

I’m sorry but I think that’s daft. Labour will be in for another 3 years. Maybe with Burnham for some of that time. They are not bad people - even if you fundamentally disagree with their politics. Kenyon is a bad guy objectively. He’s sexist and racist and stands by his revolting posts. He should not be electable. And if Reform want to be considered a serious party they should deselect him. And put up a credible candidate.

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WheresMyHatGone · 31/05/2026 20:09

Clavinova · 31/05/2026 20:07

Trust me, it’s a food bank

How do people from other faiths know about the food bank if the days and times are not advertised on their website?

Why don't they highlight the food bank here either?

About Us
Wigan Rashida Masjid aims to be a cornerstone of the Muslim community in Wigan. Our mosque serves as a place of worship, education, spiritual development, and community gathering for people from all backgrounds.

We strive to provide a welcoming and inclusive environment that nurtures faith, promotes good character, strengthens community cohesion, and builds positive relationships between diverse communities.

How long has the mosque been open? I would make allowances if it's only been open for a few months and the food bank is not up and running yet.

You are posting about an entirely different place, a different building, in a different part of town. 😂

Clavinova · 31/05/2026 20:10

WheresMyHatGone · 31/05/2026 20:06

Just had another look at your links.
The ones you have posted are indeed for a mosque, situated in an entirely different part of the town to St Mary’s. You are embarrassing yourself now.

I have posted links for two mosques.

The contact address for the second link is;
240 Warrington Road, Ince, Wigan, WN3 4NH

Bushmillsbabe · 31/05/2026 22:46

Johnogroats · 31/05/2026 20:08

I’m sorry but I think that’s daft. Labour will be in for another 3 years. Maybe with Burnham for some of that time. They are not bad people - even if you fundamentally disagree with their politics. Kenyon is a bad guy objectively. He’s sexist and racist and stands by his revolting posts. He should not be electable. And if Reform want to be considered a serious party they should deselect him. And put up a credible candidate.

Is there such a thing as a credible Reform candidate? And with 2 weeks until the by election is getting another candidate a feasible option? I absolutely agree with you that Kenyon is awful.

Burnham has said he may call a general election as thinks he can get a bigger mandate than Starmer. Are you absolutely sure that if he did, Labour would get back in?

WheresMyHatGone · 01/06/2026 06:17

Clavinova · 31/05/2026 20:10

I have posted links for two mosques.

The contact address for the second link is;
240 Warrington Road, Ince, Wigan, WN3 4NH

Yet again, the property initially lied about by Kenyon was taken over, repaired and opened as a community hub with food back and a small prayer room. It is open to all faiths.
I know there is a food bank there, along with several others in the town run by various community groups. I have no idea of ANY of the opening times or days, or how you get to use them as I have been fortunate to never have to need one.
And again, what is your issue with this derelict building being taken over and used for good? Does it matter to you so much what faith these people are?