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AIBU to think DH regrets opening our marriage now I enjoy it?

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RosePoett · Today 13:04

AIBU to think DH wants to close our open relationship because I turned out to enjoy it too?

DH (44) and I (43) have been together 16 years and we have 2 boys (secondary school age). Like a lot of couples at this stage of life, we’d fallen into more of a “co-parenting/house admin” relationship for a while and sex had become fairly routine not spontaneous.

About a year ago DH brought up the idea of opening the relationship. It wasn’t out of nowhere exactly we’d talked over the years about attraction not magically disappearing because you’re married/in a long-term relationship etc but I was still pretty shocked when he suggested actually doing something about it.

To be fair to him, he didn’t pressure me and we spent time talking about boundaries, honesty, safe sex, not bringing people back to the family home, not introducing anyone to the children etc. Eventually I agreed because part of me thought maybe it would either reignite things between us or at least make us both feel less stuck in middle age.

For context, DH is objectively attractive. charming, very sociable, looks younger than he is. Women have always liked him and he’s never lacked confidence in that department. He has been seeing other people and has had plenty of interest, so this is NOT a case of him sitting at home unable to “pull”.

What neither of us expected (including me) was that I’d also get attention. Quite a lot actually. I’m not talking about dozen of men throwing themselves at me, but enough that it genuinely surprised me after years of school runs, work,feeling invisible etc.

I’ve gone on dates, had fun, felt attractive again for the first time in years and honestly it’s massively boosted my confidence. And weirdly, it improved things between DH and me for a while too because we were communicating more and making more effort with each other.

But over the last few months his attitude has changed. He asks more questions, gets funny if I’m messaging someone, makes comments about me “always being on my phone”, and now has announced that he wants to close the relationship completely because he thinks it’s “damaging our marriage”. He says he’d like for us to keep our marriage.

I do understand people are allowed to change their minds. If one person is deeply unhappy then obviously that matters. But I can’t shake the feeling that the reality has bruised his ego a bit.

When he imagined himself sleeping with other women while I maybe dabbled occasionally, the whole thing felt exciting and ‘progressive’Now I’m enjoying myself too and realising I’m apparently still attractive to other men at 43, suddenly it’s become a problem.

I haven’t broken any boundaries, lied, hidden things or prioritised anyone over family life.

AIBU to think this is less about “protecting the marriage” and more about DH struggling with the fact his wife is desired by other men too?

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OneFineDay22 · Today 20:35

RosePoett · Today 20:27

I think some of the people on here are determined to make my husband the villain in this situation. When we first discussed opening things it was a discussion. I never suspected him of being unfaithful I’ve always trusted him. Why is it so hard to think someone trusts someone else. He had never given me a reason not to trust him so why would I start untrusting him. I care about him I very much love him.

We both have very demanding jobs. He is a surgeon it’s hard work and there’s been times where he has been burnt out from work. I am doctor too not a surgeon but still can be quite demanding at time. The opening of the relationship has not been both so us meeting new men/women every week that’s not how it’s been it’s been sporadic. I think there’s an assumption here that either of us meets someone new every other day. That’s not the case.

I admit we have opened a can of worms. We both want to stay married. I posted here just for a bit of perspective. I understand some people might be strictly monogamous but I also don’t need to be judged or shamed or made to feel like crap. I consented to this it was new to both of us we tried it, it didn’t really work. DH has said he’d like us to just close it and I want to as well. It was just new to me and I wanted to give it a try to see. He’s said for him he’d much rather we work on our marriage he’s told me he thought he’d enjoy the open marriage but he hasn’t, he said he did get jealous and missed me. I missed him too. I just didn’t expect to get any attention from men, some even 10 years younger than me. I don’t believe I am very insecure I think I am the ‘right’ level of insecure. I haven’t even bought myself any new clothes ( that weren’t maternity clothes) in almost 10 years, that’s probably played a part in this ie me maybe not putting in a bit of effort on myself apart from going to the gym, no new makeup in probably 5 years, some of my makeup is probably expired. Most of the new things I have have in regards to clothes or making have been gifts. That’s what I meant it’s not that I dislike myself. I have been very busy with work, children, house renovations so has he. I trust him he has not given me a reason to not trust him. I also don’t need to feel crap about this. I just came for perspective. Not to be judged on whether or not I have told my children who I am sleeping with I didn’t think that has anything to do with them.

I’m not entirely sure why you have assumed I am judging you or your husband. If you were to say “I tell my kids I’m going on a date” then YOU obviously think it’s ok. If you hide what you’re doing, YOU don’t want your kids to know. You don’t have to go into the details of any sexual encounters to tell someone you’re going on a date. I have not expressed any judgement in any of my comments. I tried to help with the perspective you asked for by asking some relevant questions.

shuggles · Today 20:36

@loislovesstewie They don't have to like her, or even find her particularly attractive, it's the availability that matters.

They do have to find her attractive to an extent. Keep in mind that most men find most women attractive.

OchreRaven · Today 20:37

I’m curious…how did you feel when he was on a date and sleeping with another woman? Did you feel jealous?

RosePoett · Today 20:37

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · Today 20:30

So now the can of worms has been opened and he doesn't like it, how does he propose to work on the marriage ?

I have not been in the dating scene for a long time. DH and I have known each other since university. Our relationship was on and off right at the start as we were both pursuing medicine and I was volunteering in multiple countries in Eastern Europe right after and he was in South America.

If I counted those on and off times we would have been together 25 years we met when we were both 18

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bafta16 · Today 20:37

Nice for the teens.

DinoDoughnut81 · Today 20:39

WhatTheHellsGoingOn · Today 20:20

We tried it I guess it didn’t work out

It was working out for you tho - you said it was raising your self esteem.

You entered into something you weren’t entirely sure about bc your husband wanted it - you were enjoying it - much to his surprise (which says a lot on all sorts of levels!) and now you’re stopping bc he’s jealous.

How do you think he’d have felt if he was loving it and you said you didn’t want to do it any more….?. 🤨🤔

That's what I think...it was working out ...for OP...then OPs husband says nooo. It's not working out for me as well. And he suggested it in the first place.
It happens so often, it's a classic, everybody on this thread knows it, has seen a million versions.

ChiliFiend · Today 20:42

RosePoett · Today 18:45

I didn’t come on here to be judged. I do understand it’s not the norm I was just looking for some perspectives. I did not tell my children about my sex life before with this dad not sure why I would now ?
I have not abandoned my children or my hobbies or friends. I haven’t missed any of my children’s milestones, activities or plans to go ‘shag’ someone.

DH is getting attention I don’t think it’s all an attention thing, maybe he didn’t realise how he’d feel it’s one of those where maybe we’ve made a mistake. I was open minded.

The level of judgement on here is ridiculous. You're both adults who consented to this. If no one is cheating on anyone, our sex lives are not our children's business.

It does sound like your husband was only thinking of how he (rather than your marriage / sex life) would benefit when he suggested it in the first place.

loislovesstewie · Today 20:42

shuggles · Today 20:36

@loislovesstewie They don't have to like her, or even find her particularly attractive, it's the availability that matters.

They do have to find her attractive to an extent. Keep in mind that most men find most women attractive.

I think availabilty overrides it all. The man is just thinking that he's being handed sex on a plate. He doesn't have to make much effort if that's the purpose of meeting. I mean he doesn't have to go through the rigmarole of asking her out, or going on dates, or doing any of the things that constitutes a relationship. If the idea is they just have sex then no real effort is needed.

RosePoett · Today 20:42

OneFineDay22 · Today 20:35

I’m not entirely sure why you have assumed I am judging you or your husband. If you were to say “I tell my kids I’m going on a date” then YOU obviously think it’s ok. If you hide what you’re doing, YOU don’t want your kids to know. You don’t have to go into the details of any sexual encounters to tell someone you’re going on a date. I have not expressed any judgement in any of my comments. I tried to help with the perspective you asked for by asking some relevant questions.

I didn’t mean you personally judging me. That was meant to be a post on its on sorry.

I just don’t think I need to tell a 12 year old that I am going on a date. I wouldn’t even know how to go about that. It’s just something we were trying out I don’t think my children would understand it’s not that I don’t think it’s not okay. I’ve told close friends it’s not a secret but it’s also not something that I’m personally going go tell everyone. Maybe I’m wrong for that.

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blubberyboo · Today 20:43

RosePoett · Today 13:04

AIBU to think DH wants to close our open relationship because I turned out to enjoy it too?

DH (44) and I (43) have been together 16 years and we have 2 boys (secondary school age). Like a lot of couples at this stage of life, we’d fallen into more of a “co-parenting/house admin” relationship for a while and sex had become fairly routine not spontaneous.

About a year ago DH brought up the idea of opening the relationship. It wasn’t out of nowhere exactly we’d talked over the years about attraction not magically disappearing because you’re married/in a long-term relationship etc but I was still pretty shocked when he suggested actually doing something about it.

To be fair to him, he didn’t pressure me and we spent time talking about boundaries, honesty, safe sex, not bringing people back to the family home, not introducing anyone to the children etc. Eventually I agreed because part of me thought maybe it would either reignite things between us or at least make us both feel less stuck in middle age.

For context, DH is objectively attractive. charming, very sociable, looks younger than he is. Women have always liked him and he’s never lacked confidence in that department. He has been seeing other people and has had plenty of interest, so this is NOT a case of him sitting at home unable to “pull”.

What neither of us expected (including me) was that I’d also get attention. Quite a lot actually. I’m not talking about dozen of men throwing themselves at me, but enough that it genuinely surprised me after years of school runs, work,feeling invisible etc.

I’ve gone on dates, had fun, felt attractive again for the first time in years and honestly it’s massively boosted my confidence. And weirdly, it improved things between DH and me for a while too because we were communicating more and making more effort with each other.

But over the last few months his attitude has changed. He asks more questions, gets funny if I’m messaging someone, makes comments about me “always being on my phone”, and now has announced that he wants to close the relationship completely because he thinks it’s “damaging our marriage”. He says he’d like for us to keep our marriage.

I do understand people are allowed to change their minds. If one person is deeply unhappy then obviously that matters. But I can’t shake the feeling that the reality has bruised his ego a bit.

When he imagined himself sleeping with other women while I maybe dabbled occasionally, the whole thing felt exciting and ‘progressive’Now I’m enjoying myself too and realising I’m apparently still attractive to other men at 43, suddenly it’s become a problem.

I haven’t broken any boundaries, lied, hidden things or prioritised anyone over family life.

AIBU to think this is less about “protecting the marriage” and more about DH struggling with the fact his wife is desired by other men too?

When he says it’s damaging your marriage have you asked him to elaborate?

what does he mean? How?
is it too often, is he fed up with meaningless sex, is his libido dropping, is he jealous?

it isn’t fair of him to not explain.
if he wants counselling he will need to know what he is going to say to this question

SpidersAreShitheads · Today 20:46

You said that your DH has suggested counselling, individually and together.

I think that’s a good idea as he’s admitted to jealousy, and this might be a genie that can’t simply be put back in the bottle.

Interesting though that he’s suggested counselling rather than just closing the relationship back off. It suggests there are some issues that he thinks you guys need to work through.

Counselling is an excellent idea by the sounds of things so no criticism implied. It’s just unusual for a couple who are in a good place to have it, which implies there could be more going on, at least in his mind.

GenerousGardener · Today 20:47

In his case
Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.

SeaShellsSanctuary1 · Today 20:47

When you were discussing it did you accept that for whatever reason there would be an extremely high chance of it wrecking your marriage.

Regardless of who's feeling what now it was almost certainly going to screw your marriage up.

InterestedDad37 · Today 20:49

shuggles · Today 20:36

@loislovesstewie They don't have to like her, or even find her particularly attractive, it's the availability that matters.

They do have to find her attractive to an extent. Keep in mind that most men find most women attractive.

"Keep in mind that most men find most women attractive"

😂😂😂 One of the most absurd things I've read on Mumsnet 😂😂😂

TheYorkshirePudding · Today 20:51

An open marriage isn’t for me but can’t you just be a bit clinical and take the positives here? You tried something and it didn’t work. You realise you’re more attractive than you thought (?). Your husband wants to be with you only. These are all good things. You’re both willing to be monogamous again - fine. I would have a big chat about what you both liked and what you didn’t….I wonder if you could schedule some date nights in together? Once a month, get a new dress, have some lovely food, laugh, stay over night? Do you have someone to have the boys? You’re obviously busy and become exhausted but it sounds like your marriage would benefit from some TLC and maybe some personal TLC like a new perfume or some underwear.

Dweetfidilove · Today 20:57

WildEnergySupplier · Today 18:21

I can't imagine living with myself knowing I regularly lied to my children about having sex with different men, none of whom were their father who I pretended I was happily married to

Do you routinely discuss your sex life with your children 😳

Lookingdownthebarrell · Today 21:19

On reading your posts a few things have occurred to me. Has your DH told you why he wants to stop now or are you assuming? Do you make more of an effort now with your clothes and looking good for date since opening up? Do you make the same effort with your DH now than you did before opening up? Do you make the same effort with your DH now as you make for the other dates?

You know what you want which is a good place to be whatever you chose. What are you hoping to achieve by other people’s perspective?

MissRaspberryRipples · Today 21:21

Maybe he's finally realised that he loves you so much and no longer wants to share you with other men. Nothing wrong with an open relationship if you're both ok with each other seeing other people. I have a boyfriend who doesn't live with me I've been with him for almost 5years now and when we met we weren't exclusive-he was seeing other people and I was fine with that just like he'd have been ok with me seeing other people if I chose to. I chose not to because honestly I didn't want to but it didn't bother me if he did as that was up to him. As time has gone on he has also chosen to no longer see other people and I see him get slightly protective of me if other men look my way when we're out together because quite honestly he doesn't want to share any more

shuggles · Today 21:25

InterestedDad37 · Today 20:49

"Keep in mind that most men find most women attractive"

😂😂😂 One of the most absurd things I've read on Mumsnet 😂😂😂

Except that it's obviously true.

bafta16 · Today 21:26

Lookingdownthebarrell · Today 21:19

On reading your posts a few things have occurred to me. Has your DH told you why he wants to stop now or are you assuming? Do you make more of an effort now with your clothes and looking good for date since opening up? Do you make the same effort with your DH now than you did before opening up? Do you make the same effort with your DH now as you make for the other dates?

You know what you want which is a good place to be whatever you chose. What are you hoping to achieve by other people’s perspective?

Edited

You have teenage children? sort yourselves out.

Imbusytodaysorry · Today 21:27

RosePoett · Today 18:24

I guess so

@RosePoett i wondered about that too .
You were both surprised men wanted you .
Why is that ?
So he wanted other women , didn’t think anyone be interested in you .
I think at that point I’d have said I’d rather be single . What a cheek .

Im genuinely interested to know why you BOTH felt like that

saraclara · Today 21:29

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · Today 13:55

Why are you jumping to the fact that it's only because you're enjoying it that he's suddenly got a problem with it?

Maybe he thought it was something that you'd both dabble in occasionally, and it's turning out to be more frequent than he thought.

Maybe he thought he could cope with the jealousy, but it's turned out he finds that harder than expected.

Maybe it turns out he just doesn't enjoy sex with randoms as much as he thought he would, and he misses it just being the two of you.

In theory, I'd be open to an open relationship. I've absolutely no idea if I'd like the reality until I tried it though. So I'd never actually agree to one unless we agreed on a no questions asked get out clause. The only way it would work for me is if either one of us could say "Nope, don't like this, lets go back to being monogamous" and the other would agree unhesitantly.

At this point, you need to have a proper chat with your husband. Find out what exactly his issue is, whether he wants to close the relationship completely or just modify the terms a bit. And then you need to decide whether those terms are acceptable to you, or whether its time to knock the marriage on the head.

That. I don't think this is an automatic 'blame the man' situation. It could just add easily have happened the other way round.

I don't think anyone opening their marriage can predict how it will work for them. And a women can equally end up being the one asking to close it again.

Notabarbie · Today 21:35

I have a close friend who has been through similar and what you're describing is very common. That initially it seemed to improve things but ultimately one party feels emotions they hadn't expected to feel and ultimately both parties find that the relationship between them feels damaged and lessened. If anyone tries to tell you this isn't common they're lying.

There may be open relationships that really work but they're the minority. Your experience is much more common and it doesn't mean that your DH has done anything wrong, really. He just didn't know how he'd feel. With that said, given this was his suggestion, I have no sympathy for him and I don't think I would feel the same way about the marriage after this if I were in your position.

CinnamonJellyBeans · Today 21:40

Mistymaglets · Today 13:34

YANBU

He imagined himself having a great old time, he did NOT imagine you having a great old time.
And the fact that he did not imagine this possibility shows he was only thinking of himself when he proposed opening the marriage, and he's only thinking himself now he's proposing closing it down.

So many good responses, but this one sums it up for me.

I'd carry on with the open marriage if you are enjoying it!

InterestedDad37 · Today 21:42

shuggles · Today 21:25

Except that it's obviously true.

I can assure you, it absolutely isn't 😂😂

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