To think there are people who play the system to get detained under the mental health act

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Seen a lot of it on tik tom people
lyinf in hospital beds after purposefully getting themselves detained by the police smiling and laughing

Malingering is in the DSM OP

She’s not she posted the section 2 paperwork which from experience you can only get once you are on the ward detained

In my experience, it's more the other way around, that many people who really should be sectioned, are not. Often because the threshold is so high because there are so few in-patient beds, although the NHS would deny this is the case, it blatantly is. I've seen cases where people who have attempted to take their own life and who were prevented by members of the public or emergency services and then taken to A&E were not even sectioned. Just told to contact the Community MHT on discharge from A&E (often days later after waiting ridiculous times to be assessed), and they've gone straight out from A&E and then suceeded in taking their life. We've gone too far the other way from the bad old days of people never getting out of the old asylums, to there just being no safe place/beds for people in mental distress.

Well she does think she should be

In my experience, it's more the other way around, that many people who really should be sectioned, are not. Often because the threshold is so high because there are so few in-patient beds, although the NHS would deny this is the case, it blatantly is. I've seen cases where people who have attempted to take their own life and who were prevented by members of the public or emergency services and then taken to A&E were not even sectioned. Just told to contact the Community MHT on discharge from A&E (often days later after waiting ridiculous times to be assessed), and they've gone straight out from A&E and then suceeded in taking their life. We've gone too far the other way from the bad old days of people never getting out of the old asylums, to there just being no safe place/beds for people in mental distress.

Why does it matter? Why are you comparing yourself to other patients?
Worry about yourself, and your own recovery.

The problem is you are taking one person and extrapolating that to 'people'.

I don't believe there are lots of people faking psychosis, no.

Yes of course that’s the case in psychotic and manic people but I’m pretty sure a lot of eupd make their risks worse and don’t take responsibility to ensure their own safety

I’m not I’m talking about others I know. Someone asked to be sectioned and was! That’s not how the system is meant to work

I was in the waiting room for therapy appointment which is on the same site as the MH ward. A man came into reception.. he was shaking... was in a right state. Asked to talk to someone. Said he was suicidal. Someone asked him if he was under CMHT.. he said no. They told him to go see his GP.

This is not psychicis this is “sucide -attempts” if you purposely refuse to engage with the police in order to ensure you get placed on a 136 then it’s wrong and the police should start arresting people that constantly do this.

Yes genuine people tend not to get the help this is the point I’m making

Why not?

It's very possible to move in and out of insight. Often suicidal feelings to wax and wane. Someone might, in a moment of insight or lower suicidal intent know exactly what they need in their worse moments.

You are misunderstanding Section 136. Section 136 is not for people who are resisting. It is for people who are ill in a public place.
I have been 136d countless times. Sometimes I have gone along with the process just fine. No resistance.

The police are also in contact with the local MH teams during this. If someone is known to services, then they have more information. Sometimes, they are told to take someone home. And sometimes they are told to take them to a Place of Safety.

Do you have EUPD? Because from my experience, it is people with EUPD who end up very concerned and comparing themselves to other MH patients.
It is not helping you.

If you hadn't seen it with your own eyes, and somebody told you, you probably wouldn't believe them. I probably wouldn't have believed some of the cases I know about if I hadn't been involved in them. When people say the NHS is in danger of collapsing, I'd say we passed that point a while back. We're all just wading through the wreckage now. Anybody who's been in A&E with an older relative in the past 10 years will say the same. I really hope Labour can turn thungs around, but it's a huge job and I we now have a new Health Sec since Wes Streeting just resigned - one of his last acts was to sign our data over to Bond-villain company Palantir ffs. How is that the priority? I thought he was doing a fair job before I read that, what a shitbag.

If you hadn't seen it with your own eyes, and somebody told you, you probably wouldn't believe them. I probably wouldn't have believed some of the cases I know about if I hadn't been involved in them. When people say the NHS is in danger of collapsing, I'd say we passed that point a while back. We're all just wading through the wreckage now. Anybody who's been in A&E with an older relative in the past 10 years will say the same. I really hope Labour can turn thungs around, but it's a huge job and I we now have a new Health Sec since Wes Streeting just resigned - one of his last acts was to sign our data over to Bond-villain company Palantir ffs. How is that the priority? I thought he was doing a fair job before I read that, what a shitbag.

I’m not I know from experience if you tend to agree and work with the police they are much more likely to take you to a&e voluntarily then 136.

No they have eupd

I have only been taken to A&E when on a 136 because I also needed medical attention (self harm).

A&E is not locked either. It is easy to just leave.

If someone has a long term mental illness and has had many admissions and has spotted the signs they’ve become unwell yes they can report themselves as needing admission, they’ll still be assessed just like anyone else and may or may not get a bed

Yep, and if they meet the criteria for admission, it would not be a section anyway.

I don’t know if I’m missing something but why would anyone want to be detained? It must be a fairly awful experience.

136 in A&E needs police there... and that can be up to 24 hours. That is a long time to take cops off the beat.

It is. Every time.
Either some people are doing it for Tik Tok hits, or they are genuinely ill and wanting people to see the reality of it. I don't know.

The main reason people don't get the help they need becuase mental health services have been underfunded since at least 2010 and probably longer.

Another reason is because professionals can be dismissive and have their own prejudices.

Not because of folk posting on tik tok !!

What makes you feel you are qualified to judge who is genuine and who isn't?