To think there are people who play the system to get detained under the mental health act

[Whyohwhy80]

Seen a lot of it on tik tom people
lyinf in hospital beds after purposefully getting themselves detained by the police smiling and laughing

You are talking complete nonsense. Plus people mentally ill can still laugh and smile you know, especially if they are manic.

I remember an episode of one of the ambulance programs, and they had a chap in the back of an ambulance who had just attempted suicide. He was laughing and joking with the crew.

It does not help that whenever the press talk about MH issues, they get out the stock photo of someone sat on the edge of their bed with their head in their hands.

Eupd and you can’t tell me this type of message doesn’t show an element of insight and game playing

Yep happy to show you accounts

Just a small point - there is no "UK" MH system.

The Mental Health Act 1983 only applies in England and Wales

Scotland is covered by it's own Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003

There are a few pertinent differences, including significantly different language, but they both pertain to the same processes and events. This is part of the reason why you'll see some discrepancies on places like MN with regard to how people describe their own interactions with the system.

I'm in Scotland, there are certain things I'll reference that would make no sense to anyone in E&W because the terms I would use aren't present in the MHA. There will be similar processes and provisions, but the language used to describe them, and the commonly understood terms will be different, so it creates a degree of confusion.

Basically, people know what someone means if they say someone was "Sectioned", but up here it's more commonly referred to as "Detained", because that's generally how it's couched when someone is kept in hospital after an assessment. Officially, you'll be subject to a 72 hour Emergency Detention, or if there is a CTO involved, more commonly a 28 Day Short-Term Detention.

No, the vast majority are trying to avoid being sectioned as it's pretty horrific. We just dobt make tiktoks about it because a) having a severe mental illness is actually very dull & boring & b) if we did the posts would not get many views & therefore not feature on your timeline.

Also algorithms show you the content you have engaged with so it's likely that you're now just seeing every one.

The only one I know of is the one that goes round in the Tiger onesie & has a freckles filter.

She's not actually getting sectioned (or any of the other things she claims)

She's getting removed to a place of safety on a 136 or arrest by the police, assessed & then out again in less than 24 hours.

The cancer, chronic illness & tubie down the nose communities are far worse imo

If you are being honest here and are also in hospital, then I suggest you get off Tik Tok (delete that shit from your phone), and focus on your own recovery.

S136 is a police holding power not even really a detention. If someone is erroneously detained on S136 by police it will only be for a few hours usually and then they will have an MHA assessment from qualified people and get discharged home again so they never actually get admitted to an MH hospital properly. The extent of what they have gained from ‘gaming the system’ therefore isn’t clear to me. A ride in a police car, a few hours in the 136 suite, an NHS sandwich if lucky and a taxi back home.

It is a detention. It is basically like a tiny MH ward. You can even be restrained and forcibly injected with medication.

Yabvu

I stand corrected @XDownwiththissortofthingX my knowledge is of the English system and I mistakenly thought that it applied throughout the UK, thanks for educating me

Are you currently sectioned @Whyohwhy80 ?

This is correct. Professionals do not say ‘section’ as a verb at all because it’s just a slang colloquial term with no meaning that is confusing.

They may play the system with the police, after all, they don’t exactly have extensive knowledge of assessing someone’s mental health, fooling an experienced social worker and Dr is a different thing altogether

I really don’t agree that a S136 suite is like a tiny MH ward. It’s just a holding bay that there is an attempt to make slightly pleasant and safe. Technically you could be restrained and sedated in one but this would be very unusual and considered bad practice unless there was an unmanageable risk to others.

I think most people understand 'sectioned' to be held in hospital involuntarily for mental health treatment, which is the basis on which I was answering.

Exactly.
To me, being detained or admitted under a section is still 'sectioning', whether if it was police or the team. Or even nurses. They can also section people.
It is a term service users tend to use rather than professionals. Same as being restrained and injected. Most people I know call it being "jabbed". Staff wont use that term.

It is. I have many spent a time in several. Sadly, they don't have an account on TripAdvisor that I can leave a review on.
There used to be one in my town that was one bed only. It pulled staff of the main ward.
It is closed now, and now I would be taken 40 miles away to a dedicated 8 bed unit. It really is like a mini MH ward (well, technically it is).

Blimey. I section / detain people all the time.

Well not all the time as, like other people say, there is a very high threshold these days. And I’m looking forward to the MHA reforms which will likely make this even harder, at the same time as MH services are criticised for not assertively treating people.

Anyway who cares about the semantics of sectioning or detention. I’d use them completely interchangeably and anyone relevant knows what you mean from the context. (On the forms I would put something like…recommend detention in hospital under Section 2 of the MHA)

I used to work in a MH setting.

Most of our patients were informal, they could come and go as the pleased. However if the nurse in charge thought they were a danger to themselves or others if they went out the could temporarily detain them using a specific section of the MHA.

Some of our patients were detained and admitted under section 3 of the MHA. These were informally known as "section patients". But that is not the legal, medical or otherwise officially correct term.

Do you know who else behaves this way? People who are mentally ill

I don’t know but having seen a relative be sectioned, I think you have to be very unwell almost by definition if you aim is to get detained under the mental health act! I cannot imagine a well person thinking what a lovely holiday a mental health unit would be.

Do you mean you have EUPD?

I dont work and i am not fobbing the system off either.
If you saw me you would think im fine and there is nothing wrong with me.

BTW that reply is the sort of thing I might say, including to my therapist. It just means that I'm getting particularly awful right now, not that I want to be sectioned, or think I should.

Why do you think that they are lying?