AIBU to think these boys should have been incarcerated?

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BBC News - Teenage boys sentenced for raping lone girls
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clypg68e2neo

I've never started an AIBU before, but I'm genuinely really shocked. I'm just not sure how this sentence is justifiable. Their actions were premeditated and deliberate, they were carrying a knife and they filmed themselves. They're obviously a danger to women/girls, and probably to other boys too.

If anyone knows how and why this sentence might have come about, I'd be interested to hear it.

My mistake, I mixed up the court and the location. If the rapes occurred in Fordingbridge they’ll be from there or nearby.

Criminalising isn’t about the technicality of being criminals, it’s about not giving them a chance of a rehabilitated adult life because they will a) come out of adult prison better criminals and b) suffer the impacts of “criminalisation” for the rest of their lives. That’s about labelling them as a criminal rather than looking at the link between behaviour at such a young age and the link to trauma and vulnerability.
it harms their chances of employment, education, the way the police treat them and how they view themselves.

and this isn’t about feeling sorry for them- its about the most effective way to rehabilitate them

criminalising also increases the risk of reoffending

Then I've already explained my feelings about this twice. What part of it are you still confused about? If they can't be incarcerated for life, then they can't. But they should be, and I imagine the girl's parents are wishing they could go even further, as no doubt you would, if this had happened to your child.

But, no prison time at all is beyond the pale for this crime, and you ought to know that. This is why so many people are complaining.

Where you live and where you are form are two entirely different things.

It is completely disgusting. No punishment at all.

I always think when such light sentences are given for horrific crimes like these that the judge is himself a rapist. They protect each other. Look at all the people in the Epstein files and the only person ever charged is a woman! 🤦🏻‍♀️

Who ‘literally’ got off with murder? This is a story about boys being convicted (ie not getting away with) rape but being sentenced surprisingly leniently.

I’ve also complained - we have to hope that if enough people complain, there will at least need to be a revisit

We don't need to assess their risk. They ARE a risk, as demonstrated by their multiple offences.

Oh just spit it out, you’re obviously dying for them to not be white.

I just read this it's outrageous. I was raped at 12 by a gang of boys aged from 11-18, five of them related and it completely takes over your life. Im 56 now and I still think abou5 it daily. They were brave to come forward and the sentences are laughable frankly.

I am not dying, but I have a lot of experience in the youth estate.

Ah so you were being racist.

As I said, the only rapists that get sentences like this are white. The population of Fordingbridge is small and about 99.9% white too.

They weren't acting like children. Children should not be going around raping other children. What is going on?

If they commit a serious crime like rape or murder they should receive a harsh sentence otherwise where is the deterrent.

done but I wish that I hadn’t had to 😞

Im afraid they are criminalised because they have been convicted of rape and assisting a rape ,serious crimes which makes them criminals.
I agree their risk to women/the public need to be carefully assessed.

Absolutely horrifying, I feel so angry for these poor girls, and for the women these monsters will no doubt go on to abuse, having got away with it this time. I have submitted an unduly lenient sentence appeal too.

Im trying to fill in this form but it is asking for the name of the perpetrators but their names haven't been released. What have you put?

The case was heard at Southampton Crown Court and the rapes took place at Fordinghambridge, Hampshire.

I think given their ages and the fact it’s multiple offences it’s probably reasonable to assume they’re local to Fordinghambridge. .

Are the judges sentencing remarks available?
When sentences seem unjust judges sentencing remarks can often shed light on why.

as a mother of a teen girls and boys. I’m disgusted reading this.

Form submitted.

These disgusting boys should be securely housed away from members of the public and their freedom should be curtailed strictly enough so that they can never present a threat to anyone ever again. I don't actually care how much that would cost; we all deserve to be kept safe from dangerous individuals like these. Of course they knew that what they were doing was wrong. Regardless of any SEN / low IQ / etc. Of course they knew!

I just do not see how they can ever be rehabilitated to the point where they will 100% never do this again. I mean - if you knew their past history, would you be OK with one of them dating your daughter in, say, 20 years' time??

We need to fix this.... those poor girls.

This link provides a bit more but not his full comments.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/three-boys-avoid-prison-rape-two-girls-5HjdZW4_2/

Agree, they criminalised themselves when they committed horrifying criminal offences that destroyed the lives of two girls.

Does the PP believe James Bulger's killers shouldn't have been criminalised? How monstrous does a crime have to be then? Does the effect on victims (current and most likely future) not matter?