AIBU to think these boys should have been incarcerated?

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BBC News - Teenage boys sentenced for raping lone girls
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clypg68e2neo

I've never started an AIBU before, but I'm genuinely really shocked. I'm just not sure how this sentence is justifiable. Their actions were premeditated and deliberate, they were carrying a knife and they filmed themselves. They're obviously a danger to women/girls, and probably to other boys too.

If anyone knows how and why this sentence might have come about, I'd be interested to hear it.

The Sentencing Council provide Judges with guidelines to follow. Apparently.

it’s about not giving them a chance of a rehabilitated adult life because they will a) come out of adult prison better criminals

So don’t let them out until they are old men.

and b) suffer the impacts of “criminalisation” for the rest of their lives. That’s about labelling them as a criminal rather than looking at the link between behaviour at such a young age and the link to trauma and vulnerability

I frankly don’t care about the impacts of ‘criminalisation’ on gang rapists. I care that these girls never saw justice and that other women and girls will be harmed in the future.

it harms their chances of employment, education, the way the police treat them and how they view themselves

Guys, think of the gangrapists children!!!

Do many do gooders, who have no idea what they are talking about.

And I do mean none.

I’ve appealed it too - it’s about time as women we stop quietly seething and stand up to be counted.

I've submitted a request for this sentence to be reviewed too, thank you to the pp who suggested it.

This is what I posted.

Well, why not say what you actually mean instead of all the disingenuous “I wonder where they’re from” and “where you live is not the same as where you’re from”?

I mentioned that I had no names, but included that they are the boyslinked to the CPS report that is in this thread.

Not yet - if they are published they’ll be on judiciary.gov.uk

Meantime the girls now have a life sentence dealing with the trauma and aftermath.

@Backedoffhackedoff Pretty sure you’d feel differently if it had been your daughter they gang raped?

This. As usual, some people put the needs and wants of males over the safety of girls and women.

I understand the 'not criminalising children' argument for petty theft, cannabis possession etc.

But these are teenage boys carrying knives and gang raping multiple girls. I think it's a safe bet they're already 'criminalised'.

So because they are ADHD they can rape girls?? That's where we are at??

This ⬆️. I can't understand why girls and women don't count.

That sentence is absolutely despicable.

If it had been one incident, there was evidence of outside influence from social media / manosphere and the boys had shown significant remorse with psychologists confirming that the remorse was genuine, I could sort of see the judges point about peer pressure and not wanting to destroy their lives.

I could even potentially understand the peer pressure argument in the case of the 14 year old who was convicted of rape through aiding an abetting rather than actual assault.

But two different girls weeks apart after they've posted the first attack on social media? That shows planning and lack of remorse after the first incident, not bloody peer pressure 😡

One of the boys raped each of the girls twice for goodness sake!

Never mind the sentence being reviewed, that bloody judge needs to be struck off!

It's not just women, trust me on this.

They should all be locked up.

They all need to be on the sex offenders register.

They knew exactly what they were doing.

Luckily the criminal justice system doesn’t work on “what I’d do if my daughter was gang raped”

thank god, hey?

The justice girls/women get in cases like this continues to be dreadful - I despair 🤦‍♀️

The judiciary in this country is actively decriminalising assaults against women and girls via their absurdly lenient sentencing.

This is more than the occasional crap judge. It must come from Government, as a directive.
Women are being sacrificed and it’s intentional. I have zero hope for our freedoms and safety.

I put Unknown for name.

I think some judges, like some men, do not consider violence against women a serious crime. I have also filled in the form.