AIBU to think these boys should have been incarcerated?

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BBC News - Teenage boys sentenced for raping lone girls
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clypg68e2neo

I've never started an AIBU before, but I'm genuinely really shocked. I'm just not sure how this sentence is justifiable. Their actions were premeditated and deliberate, they were carrying a knife and they filmed themselves. They're obviously a danger to women/girls, and probably to other boys too.

If anyone knows how and why this sentence might have come about, I'd be interested to hear it.

Please can someone post the link for complaining and the relevant info e.g case reference no

How awful for the girls to hear this.

Because each case is judged on its own merits. We don't know what - if any, beyond age - mitigating factors may be in play regarding these boys. And we won't know until (or if) we get the sentencing remarks.

I've also completed the form.

https://www.gov.uk/ask-crown-court-sentence-review

This.

And when women speak up and say the bare horrible truth, they're lampooned and harassed.

I’m afraid I agree we shouldn’t criminalise children

I think their risk to women/ the public and their progress in rehabilitation needs to be carefully assessed, and I would advocate on the side of caution with that- but not that they should be criminalised. It’s just not effective

The stats for conviction for sexual assault and rape are so low it’s ridiculous !

So criminalise their parents instead.

Because clearly if they think rape is OK something’s gone very wrong.

Same here. I came to Mumsnet to look if a thread had been started after reading the story and feeling horrified by the sentencing.

There's nothing to say there weren't other victims who have not come forward.

But if you don't criminslise the boys there is zero deterrent. Other boys will commit gang rapes now. Guaranteed.

I don’t really understand the mitigating factors thing. Obviously any 13/14 year old gang rapist who cuts girls with knives is going to have a dysfunctional background and be mentally screwed up. And, yes, they may well have learning difficulties not least because those sorts of diagnoses are incredibly common among that generation.

But so what? We still shouldn’t sacrifice our girls to them. How awful that they have essentially been let off.

Two of the boys' mothers burst into tears as Judge Nicholas Rowland told the attackers "none of you need to go to prison today"

Their mothers are horrible too these boys are dangerous and they will almost certainly do this again. How many time before they are caught again? How cruel to these girls and future girls that will be victimized

You criminalise parents just for raising rapists? Do they get an allowance in this prosecution if they picked up on red flags and sought help? What if they adopted traumatised children, are they still responsible?

I mean it’s obviously a ridiculous idea, but there are even basic things like the above to co sided when you hold someone criminally responsible for someone else’s behaviour

Courts and sentencing have changed a lot in 33 years since Jamie Bulger was murdered. For a start indefinite detention at Her Majesty's Pleasure, which was their sentence, no longer exists.

I wonder what the family background of the rapists are and the girls. Rich v poor i feel

I couldn't give a flying fuck what mitigating factors there is, please tell me what you think would be a good excuse for these boys to have done this?

The fifteen year old you have to wonder if he was fit for trial. Their learning difficulties / ADHD were assessed as being in the bottom 1% for their age.

Criminalised is irrelevant-their calculated, predatory, violent rapes also featured incitement. They are criminals, who will now believe that abusing and raping girls is not that big a deal.

Im normally for young people to be given non prison sentences but in this case. It would be very suitable. It would also allow a period of rehabilitation ( hopefully) and further risk assessment to be undertaken. Is the full judgement and sentencing remarks available anywhere?

Ah right that's ok then. Let's just look forward to the future of boys gang raping girls with no actual consequences for them to worry about. Fabulous.

i mean, the fact that they are a risk to girls is pretty clear cut. They rape them at knifepoint.

I am genuinely interested though- what should we do about these guys if not keep them off the streets?

Well, either the kids knew it was wrong and they should be punished accordingly.

Or they didn’t, in which case their parents didn’t do their job - so punish the parents.

You can’t just excuse the shitty behaviour, which is what you seem to be suggesting.

Well done, I think all the commenters on here should do it.

Thank you. Also sent in an objection. This is outrageous. What are we supposed to tell our daughters about this?!