AIBU to think these boys should have been incarcerated?

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BBC News - Teenage boys sentenced for raping lone girls
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clypg68e2neo

I've never started an AIBU before, but I'm genuinely really shocked. I'm just not sure how this sentence is justifiable. Their actions were premeditated and deliberate, they were carrying a knife and they filmed themselves. They're obviously a danger to women/girls, and probably to other boys too.

If anyone knows how and why this sentence might have come about, I'd be interested to hear it.

Let's hope so.

A bit like the Pakistani clans who perpetrated the grooming in this country.

You can't appeal simply because you don't like the outcome. There has to be a point of law eg failure to follow correct procedure, or a mistake was made.

I agree, but I think it’s at least a silver lining that they won’t be able to torment these girls in future. The 10 years prohibition was fucking bizarre.

I think if what happened to these two girls had happened to this idiotic judge, he would have discovered sex attacks do cause several psychological harm.

Trouble is the lawyer class live very sheltered lives, cocooned in a middle class bubble where everyone on their dinner party circuit thinks the same as them. They do not live in the real world.

It's remarkably similar. Lawyers and judges treating those they perceive as 'oppressed' groups with as much leniency as possible. Being very protective of them and to hell with their victims.

These people must have drunk very deeply at the well of woke ideology.

It's nothing to do with woke ideology.

The justice system is built on sexism and misogyny.

The fact that rape and sexual abuse sentencing across the board, are often lenient is a thing that has always been the case.

And grooming gangs of all colours are such that some get lenient sentences and some get what I call a media sentence where it appears that justice may have been served. To gloss over the fact that we are either too lenient or not even catching the vast majority anyway.
(And in all classes and races not specifically Pakistani.)

They should have got at least 20 years.

I’ve yet to see an appropriate sentence given for most rapes (including of children) tbh. I doubt it’s anything to do with wokeness , more like pure mysoginy. It’s just women/girls , how does that compare to a man’s/boy’s future , reputation, career etc.?

Do you think only poor people are victims/perpetrators of rape?

What an absolute bucket of shit.

The daughters of well off people are generally much more closely supervised than those of the less well off. I expect they wouldn't be allowed to be out and about on their own at 13 and 14 which was the age of the girls when they were attacked.

This is in no way a criticism of the girls' parents. But it doesn't help that judges and lawyers are drawn from the upper echelons of society, who have a completely different experience of life.

You have poor uneducated girls who may have been neglected or abandonned by their families and predatory men from a culture that regards females as possessions or second class citizens. A perfect storm.

And if they don't behave, they send them to boarding school where they are more or less detained.

Yes, and a judiciary who favour any perpetrator if they are a member of an 'oppressed' group and a media who do their best to downplay it. A perfect storm indeed.

Actually, I think I read that at least one of the victims was middle class?

I find this quite bizarre. Most victims are raped by someone they know, whether that’s outside or at a house party or at a sports activity or anywhere else. These boys were known to the girls.

Do you genuinely think that middle/upper class women and girls don’t experience rape? That the only dangerous men and boys are those on low incomes?