AIBU to suggest emailing Andy Burnham about access to women’s toilets?

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Aibu to suggest you can email Andy Burnham if you are what he calls one of the “tiny, tiny, tiny number of people” who believe that men including “transgender women” should not be allowed to use women’s toilets.

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Perhaps if he gets enough emails he’ll see he is not right.

So if a public space has a trans person in it, it’s automatically safe? Really? So how about we employ transpeople to stand in every public space and then there’d be no violence or crime would there?

I’ll take minor embarrassment of masculine women over preventing this thanks. How bizarre that you wouldn’t.https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/14674350/trans-paedo-supermarket-toilet-ruling/

YANBU, in the same way I'm not unreasonable for agreeing with him

Agreeing with him about what precisely?

Anyone with a penis is a threat to women and girls do should not be allowed access to women only areas.

Woah, had somebody transported me back to 2021? These are the sort of entry-level juvenile attempts at ‘gotchas’ that were easily demolished by the application of a modicum of critical thinking way back then.

Where have you been that you think any of this is a reasonable point?

Because women and girls are human shields, support humans etc and our safety and dignity is supposed to not matter. Male performance of femininity trumps all!

Because the men's rights misogynists and useful idiots with suicidal empathy think we're everyone's mummies.

We can't possibly say 'no' to men. And we can't possibly tell them to take responsibility and sort their own shit out.

Oh noo, it's our job - apparently - to make everyone happy. And if that's at the expense of our own safety, wellbeing and happiness, well.... so what? Who gives a shit. We're only female. We don't count, our needs come last.

Not all of us are that fucking stupid, though.

It’s not just transwomen who are put at risk

Men who call themselves women are have no more risk to their safety than any other man.

Look at the number of short haired lesbians who have been on the receiving end of abuse,

I’m guessing it’s just a wild coincidence that the main reports of this totally not made up scenario are either Stonewall employees or other trans activists.

I have encountered many short haired women (I don’t ask them their sexual preferences though) in the ladies toilets. Some of them even wear quite man style clothing. They are obviously still women though….

And if a masculine presenting transman tries to use the ladies’, as dictated by his biological sex

It’s very rare for them to be remotely convincing with a very high incidence of womanly hips and squeaky voices. My great aunt had rather a spikey beard - still obviously a woman though.

And what’s to stop biological men who did want to get into the ladies’ from just saying they’re a transman?

Because away from trans fantasyland, it doesn’t work like that. And no man could pass as a woman trying to look like a man 🙄

Will you have someone checking genitalia on the doors?

Seriously? You’ve wheeled out that old chestnut?? Everyone knows what sex they are. If you think that men who identify as woman are incapable of following basic rules designed for the privacy and dignity of women (not men who call themselves woman) then that’s on you and them. We can have them removed or banned or reported to the police for voyeurism.

What about intersex people - where would you like them to go?

You really are chucking the kitchen sink at this one 🤣. ‘Intersex’ people (the inoffensive term is people with DSDs but I don’t expect you to respect them either) are still either male or female but are either male with abnormalities for their sex or female with abnormalities for their sex. Most DSD conditions are not even visible, it’s just a private medical matter and they can use the spaces for their sex.

Anyway, none of your ridiculous points are remotely relevant. The law says women have a right to single sex spaces for our safety and dignity. No men are allowed in those spaces, even if they say they are women. If you don’t like I’m afraid that’s tough.

this, a thousand times

Actually - you and a lot of TRAs are actually using women to protect trans women/gender non-conforming males from other men. Women are the human shields. Deal with males and how they treat trans-identified males and gender non—conforming males. This is a male problem to sort.

We just want men to stay out of women's single sex spaces. That includes the good and decent men. All men need to stay out.

Bless, look at them all getting so worked up. 🙄 You WON. You got your ruling. Your god and saviour Robert Galbraith smoked their cigar. And yet you’re not happy. It’s almost as if excluding transpeople isn’t a magic solution to all women’s problems….

Answer me this - the ruling was put into effect in summer 2025. That’s a year. Has there been a reduction in violence against women? No. Has there been a reduction in rape and sexual assault against women? No. Has there been a rise in hate crimes and hate speech against transpeople? Yes. So women are no better off, and the marginalised are more vulnerable. How, exactly, does this improve society?

The ruling had NOT been put into effect. The vast majority have been waiting for the guidance to be released.

But yes. We are delighted with the Supreme Court ruling. It’ll just take a bit of time and maybe some legal cases to get the message through.

I am very much enjoying the TRA meltdowns.

We women got the law clarified, that’s what we got. It was never legal for men to use women’s single sex spaces It’s Stonewall etc you should be having a go at for lying about the law.

Can you simply explain to us all why you don't think women's rights to single sex spaces are important/worthy of respect?

You don’t really understand what respect for women and girls means, do you? It means that sometimes we need to use spaces without any men in, even if those men aren’t definitely going to rape us. It’s very simple. Have a little think about it.

He’s out campaigning for the next number of months.

he will read zero emails

I think of all the posters who are getting ‘worked up’, that would fall to you. Just leave our spaces alone, campaign for men to be accepting of men who think they are women into their spaces. Put your energies into that and you won’t sound so unhappy and hateful.

Burnhams email is bouncing back.

Does anyone have an email address that works for him?

You sound almost jubilant in your post that crimes against women haven't reduced (I haven't checked the stats but I'm assuming you've done your homework).

Please link me to your stats that back up that a rise of hate crimes have been recorded, I'd love a good read.

10% of rapes being committed by strangers is still 10% too many.
Have you ever thought that the reason the statistics are skewed that way is because men who are strangers to women don’t often have the opportunity to rape or assault a woman they don’t know BECAUSE single sex spaces exist?

Can we be clear here. You say "trans people" but in reality we are talking about males who want to be able to access female only single sex spaces.

I'm not getting how the threat to women from men they know acts as a protective factor, and makes them safe from TIM in public toilets. Could you explain how that works?

I am considerably better off now I don't have to encounter a man who identifies as a woman in the female changing rooms. The EHRC guidance will finally allow women to get men out of women's spaces.