Is Andy Burnham reasonable to say only a small minority of women object to men being in their toilets? YABU he's right, YANBU he's wrong *titled tweaked by MNHQ at OP's request*

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https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15830845/Andy-Burnham-men-identify-women-use-female-toilets.html

'I don't think that's a majority view. I think it's a minority view and quite a small minority view, actually. But it is a view so you can't completely ignore it. Possibly they might be women who have experienced male violence at some point in their life. I don't know, that's one way of looking at it.'

As far as I am aware stating the truth is not rage. I know mine is a minority view here as I know that the majority view here is a minority in most other places.

Stating the truth, huh. State the truth on this: what is a woman?

Evidence? I have only ever seen polls where the views here are the majority but would love to see otherwise. Even the Guardian of all papers is starting to tentatively swing the other way to our side.

It isn’t though. Most women don’t want men in women’s spaces. Your view is the fringe view, hard to hear as it may be. You’ve called it wrong.

@Wipeywipey and Brexit as if we don't have enough problems right now ??

Very, very rarely is anything "derogatory" said on this forum, and those posts are usually deleted by MNHQ pretty quickly.

Rude and negative. Aside from the obvious retort "have you not seen what some activists say about women?" - you were not put on this Earth to be perpetually shielded from anything rude or negative. If you want that, stick to repeats of Leave it to Beaver.

Grow up.

It used to be a minority view that women should have the vote. What's a minority or majority view got to do with anything being right or wrong ?

It's pretty rude, negative and derogatory to call a place a 'phobic echo chamber because it largely supports women having sex based rights.

I love all the people trying to gaslight that everyone else thinks a group of men are women and MN is an isolated bubble in thinking they are not.

Given the unequal reproductive burden, a site called 'mumsnet' will tend to attract posters who have not been able to hand wave away the consequences of sex.

I don't understand this sudden hype to remove PM's after a year or two anyway, we elect them for a set term and then get to vote again. Why are the media trying to change the democratic process?

Believing that the majority believe that men are women if they say so is as deluded as the men who hold that belief are themselves.

The media are certainly fanning it, but I think it came from within Labour after the local election results.

He's a twatting cunt

They’re pretending MN is an isolated bubble because they can see how the vote has gone on this thread. Oh yes it’s defo MN that’s the problem here, not the mad ideology.

It's quite literally because the tide is turning and they haven't been able to hold it back that they are now desperately trying to scare us into thinking the tide is still going in the opposite direction.

And the funny thing is that the tide never even was in that direction. People just weren't plugged in and didn't realise the full implications of pretending some men are women. The more these implications play out and are laid bare, the more people oppose it because it's fucking insanity. They haven't changed their minds. They never wanted this shit, they just didn't realise it was there.

I dunno, I'm kind of down on sexist ideas like men and women are types of minds not types of bodies, or that some men are closer to being women than other men are, or that female people aren't important enough to have a name that means just us, or to be recognised legally, socially or politically as a meaningful group in our own right, but add a few male bodies into wonanhood and suddenly it means sonething again.

I kind of think all that is pretty negative for women and should be called out. I don't think smiling and taking sexism on the chin works out well for us at all.

But you do you I guess.

if you want to get really angry...

https://x.com/Glinner/status/2057088963765313582

As pp said it’s more Labour panicking over their local election / Wales / Scotland results.

Yes they are, but they may as well not be, looking at the odds.

‘Possibly they might be women who have experienced male violence at some point in their life. I don't know, that's one way of looking at it.'

It’s the ‘I don’t know’ that does it for me. Why doesn’t he know? Never had a conversation with people with views different to his own? Never had conversations with women?

Precisely, and some people still think they can carry on like it’s 2018. So much for being politics experts.

@Beer3000 ‘It just doesn't seem safe for women, transwomen, transmen or children to have to share toilets with men.’

Well, transwomen are men. If they weren’t, they’d simply be women. There is no evidence they sexually assault women or children at rates any lower than other men.

Indeed, it appears from crime statistics that the percentage of ‘transwomen’ men in prison for sexual offences is proportionately higher than for other men. That is just the men who have been caught and convicted.

So, no ‘transwomen’ men aren’t in the same risk category of women or children. They are a part of the male category (along with all other men) which proportionately poses a higher risk to women and children.

This, and I will never vote for Labour again.

The self identity as a woman resulting in easy and undisputed access to woman's spaces is always going to attract predators. Of course there are trans women who are really struggling with identity and who are gentle and non predatory but the risk of the first occurring is, proven to be, huge.