Is Andy Burnham reasonable to say only a small minority of women object to men being in their toilets? YABU he's right, YANBU he's wrong *titled tweaked by MNHQ at OP's request*

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https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15830845/Andy-Burnham-men-identify-women-use-female-toilets.html

'I don't think that's a majority view. I think it's a minority view and quite a small minority view, actually. But it is a view so you can't completely ignore it. Possibly they might be women who have experienced male violence at some point in their life. I don't know, that's one way of looking at it.'

I want to vote for her too but someone on another post said she’s pro fox hunting and will lift the ban which I’m not ok with so I’ll have to look more into that.

Mine too

Toilets are always used as an example because they have cubicles, so it makes women who are concerned about it seem like they are being over anxious and mean. Maybe Andy Burnham is too stupid to realise that you either have single sex spaces or you don't. Or maybe he genuinely believes that people can change sex.

What about communal changing rooms, teachers supervising pupils on residential trips, changing rooms in schools, healthcare professionals carrying out intimate exams, body searches at airport security, dormitories in boarding schools and on school trips, communal accomodation in jobs like the army? At what point do you think he would draw the line and stop playing along?

I'm not ok with that either. But she wouldn't get that through anyway, as Cameron failed, so would she.

Very happy for him to apologise, acknowledge that he hadn't thought it through, and say that he has changed his mind.

Yep they can all take each other out with their infighting.

This is a beautifully put post which sums up the crux of the issue that men like Burnham completely ignore. Women don’t dislike trans women pushing in their spaces because they’re trans. They don’t want them there because they’re MEN. It’s MEN who are the issue. MEN, MEN, MEN, MEN, MEN.

MEN carry out 97% of the sexual assaults against women. Trans women are MEN.

Women aren’t ’transphobic’ they’re MENphobic and for good reason.

But how would we know this is genuine, rather than a political move to try to gain votes. I appreciate that could be said about anything any politician says, but generally the think that people say first is the thing they believe.

So would I be. Not holding my breath.

I'm happy for anyone to argue over when single sex provision is and isn't appropriate.

It's not as though women haven't complained about being excluded from golf clubs.

This might be heresy, but I wouldn't care if the residents of Hampstead decided that they wanted all of the ponds to be mixed sex.

The thing that makes no sense at all is single sex provision that can be used by anyone on grounds that nobody fully understands. It vaguely suggests that women need separate provision because they are 'feminine' while ignoring the reasons that women actually need single sex provision and suggesting that people might be refused access on grounds that would be discriminatory in any other situation.

Agree with your logic, that’s a really important point.

I would be prepared to accept an apology and a change in attitude from any politician out there. Everyone should.be given the opportunity to reflect and admit that their previous stance was wrong. Whether that will happen we shall see.

Yet again deciding which views are right when it's nothing to do with him

Mine too. I'm not 100% behind everything she is for, but given the other options, she is way out ahead. I like the fact that she says what she means and means what she says.

People say Tories are backwards but to me they feel more progressive, with 4 female pms/leaders (and yes I know 1 was rubbish and short lived) and 2 POC as leaders. To my knowledge every labour pm has been a middle aged white male.

It is though sadly not uncommon to discover in later years, often via the newspapers, that men who feel passionately that women should not be permitted privacy, dignity, or escape from men when in a state of undress, very much did find this to do with them and their interests. In fact their interest in the matter suddenly gains a lot more clarity.

I think the SNP had a recent case in point.

I don’t mind trans women using the women’s toilets and neither do most people I speak about this with IRL. However, I know some women do. So the answer is simple isn’t it. No biological men in the women’s toilets.

Yes the answer is simple. No men in the women's toilets.

I have no gripe against trans people whatsoever.
What matters to me in a loo is how safe and clean the facility is. There will be some women who may well not be. From drugs, booze, unhinged.
But they are women so we have to share.
And for trans people they may well not be safe from some women. I would recommend they use the disabled loo. I say this as a disabled person.
The only thing about disabled loos is people often don’t lock them properly.

this is literally ridiculous, they use a cubicle and wash their hands!!! an open changing room is different but a public loo??? come off it.

I bet most of you already have and didnt realise because funnily enough they look like women!!

Probably at the point when activist colleagues and constituents stop threatening him (or threatening to threaten him)

or

When the political winds blow in a decisively different direction.

Whichever comes first.

She basically just parrots Farage (because that is where the votes are) but she does it shamelessly which is refreshing, the Labour clown show are far too stuck in Woke World and scared of offending anyone (unless they are British white working class) or straying too far from the focus group feedback. She has FA chance of being in power though IMO, they will have no option but to cut deals with Reform after the next GE.

No. They do not use the disabled loo, they are for those with disabilities. Obviously.

lol, no most of them just look like men wearing an odd interpretation of women’s fashion circa 1987

So they can use a cubicle in the men's. What's the problem?

I was not going to ever vote for Labour anyway, and now I'm definitely not going to. The Tories are starting to look like the best option (for me)

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