Is Andy Burnham reasonable to say only a small minority of women object to men being in their toilets? YABU he's right, YANBU he's wrong *titled tweaked by MNHQ at OP's request*

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https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15830845/Andy-Burnham-men-identify-women-use-female-toilets.html

'I don't think that's a majority view. I think it's a minority view and quite a small minority view, actually. But it is a view so you can't completely ignore it. Possibly they might be women who have experienced male violence at some point in their life. I don't know, that's one way of looking at it.'

Why would you prefer to share female toilets with men rather than share unisex toilets with men?

But Jeremy Corbyn was a misogynist dick so that’s easy to say. It’s not saying Yvette Cooper would be any good.

None of the "I’m a progressive liberal and you’re a lot of pearl clutching Karen’s" ever respond to comments like these to say the quiet part out loud… ie that they don’t care about other women who have been subjected to male violence and who do not want to share toilets with men who say they’re women. They’re okay with transwomen, so that’s that.

Which part of what he said do you agree with?

What's the point of having men's and women's loos in the first place then?

As soon as you go from simple split by sex to "women plus someone else" , you are making a weird statement about what women are "like" and how some men are enough "like that" to count as women as well

Women plus people of any sex in dresses
Women plus people who don't behave inappropriately
Women plus people who have womanly minds

It makes no sense and it's really offensive to women (and indeed men!) to decide some men are more like women than other men are.

I respect your right to choose but I don't think you should make decisions for all women Why can't we have either biological male, biological female and unisex or unisex loos that are kept clean and have separate wall floor to ceiling cubicles, sinks and sanitary disposal facilities? Oh, and people who leave loos in a mess should have hornets put in their underwear.

What does bother you? How would you feel if you were dismissed like this when it mattered to you? This is a serious question because I'm trying very hard to understand why people have this 'I'm all right, Jack' attitude about so many things.

How would you feel if your beliefs were dismissed like this?

It wasn’t that easy to say at the time. All the non-Corbyn cohort came across badly at the time, personally speaking. For my sins, I had a vote and I voted for him in the leadership election when he won. I wouldn’t do it in hindsight! And I still dislike all the others, Cooper, Burnham etc, they haven’t grown on me. It’s just that Corbyn has shown his true colours.

According to the Telegraph, he's not commenting. (As of half an hour ago. He might have U-turned by now.)

At the last GE I had a man canvassing for the Labour Party - he was lovely in the face of me telling him I would not vote for a party where the leader obviously had a kip during biology lessons. Anyway - I apologised to him & he said - don't worry I get worse from my wife. I am not sure AB speaks for the whole Labour party.

Many of my beliefs are. Check out my user name. I accept it as part of political discourse and the price of living in a democracy.

He’s too much of a weasel. Not wanting to upset the crazed blue haired loons, not wanting to upset 51% of the voting public. He’s totally gutless.

This should be a clear, unequivocal “of course women deserve for their own single sex spaces to be protected”. What’s so hard? Unless you don’t agree.

That it is a minority of women who think trans people should be banned from women's toilets.

"So why are we allowing everyone to get into this really polarised and terribly hateful debate about these issues?
'I am going to make it really plain: I support trans rights and I want that to be known.'"

Andy Burnham's words from 2022. He made it very plain, that he wanted no debate on the matter. What a stupid arrogant man. I do hope he is now respecting the law of the land.

You’re wrong. I believe it’s already been refuted with evidence upthread. And it’s not “trans people”, it’s men. Men who identify as women.

That’s an interesting interpretation of my pointing out that polling professionals who conduct research all the time are more likely to have a handle on the current mood than someone who lives there. Unless of course you too have held focus groups and polled the local population?

I agree with the Supreme Court ruling and I agree with Burnham that it is a minority of women who think trans people should be banned from women's toilets.

Even if it's a minority of women so what? The fact that some women feel unsafe with men in dedicated women's only areas is enough for me to support them.

Does that include the “polling professionals” who have produced the figures showing the downward trend for support for men in women’s spaces? Of course MN is so skewed etc bla whatever.

Yet the verifiable statistics prove you very very wrong. So why believe it?

Also it is a fact, not a belief, that a majority of females in the UK do not support males accessing their sexed spaces. Fact. Not belief.

Me too.

So again biological males come first, ignore real women and their concerns in favour of men in frocks. Pathetic.

I've always found this to be a very powerful piece of writing, it's giving a perspective from the class of women who are too often ignored:

https://4w.pub/you-meet-more-perverts-when-poor/

As for Burnham, the man has allied himself with so many different factions and groups within the Labour Party over the years that I don't trust him to have anyone's interests in mind except his own.

Well I think I agree with you and I don't think he said that, did he?

No no not those 'polling professionals' silly just the ones who love our Andy, obvs.