Is Andy Burnham reasonable to say only a small minority of women object to men being in their toilets? YABU he's right, YANBU he's wrong *titled tweaked by MNHQ at OP's request*

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https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15830845/Andy-Burnham-men-identify-women-use-female-toilets.html

'I don't think that's a majority view. I think it's a minority view and quite a small minority view, actually. But it is a view so you can't completely ignore it. Possibly they might be women who have experienced male violence at some point in their life. I don't know, that's one way of looking at it.'

Well you seem to have made your mind up - dunno if we should bother saying anything to you!

The op is right but the vote is a bit fluffed as people will be missing the clarification on what it means.

first hundred votes went 50/50 'cos of my sloppy phrasing sorry all

Ah, I voted after MN amended the title. You may be right (sadly, in my own view, but I know it is a minority on MN).

If the quote was accurate that's still awful.

What on earth are you talking about? If you let one man in it becomes unisex.

A toilet for women and men in frocks is a unisex toilet.

Meaning they did what to his words? Changed them?

You had one job ; I jest the posts are pretty clear.

Perhaps if you were a Muslim woman you’d have a problem if a man were in the women’s changing room, loo, or segregated pond

Ohh Dahhling don't you worry about the nasty politics, you've got the eyelashes for TV

Good, because this is about individual choices being made without being called names or risking losing their jobs. Can we agree about that? If so, all we need are either individual loos or male, female and unisex according to how big a place is. I'd also like anyone who leaves a loo in a mess to be set upon by angry wasps, but that's just personal preference and I'm fine if others don't agree with that. (A pride of hungry lions is a bit excessive though.)

Rely on undemocratic block votes from patriarchal community leaders where women are told what to vote for, or have their vote appropriated by men. Never challenge this, or stick up for women's rights in such communities, even over forced marriage, FGM or other devastating misogynistic cultural practices.
Failing to get proper independent and wide ranging enquiry into rape gangs, because of their institutional cowardice and sexism.
Fail (Bridget Phillipson, Minister for Women & Equalities, though you would never know) to ensure compliance with the Supreme Court ruling last year. thus continuing to put women at risk in defiance of the law.
Failed to ever have a woman leader, or one anywhere near the power of the top job.
I could go on.

Why are all the male Labour MPs misogynistic? What an ignorant twat, talking about male violence vs women in such a flippant dismissive way. I dont understand why he's so popular, I think he's a proper knobhead.

Are women who've been the victims of male sexual violence pearl clutchers then? What happened to 'be kind?' Could it be that it actually means 'give me what I want and get out of my way you stupid woman?'

Besides, it doesn't matter what Andy Burnham thinks about the law. It is and remains the law until someone changes it, and that means biological women are the only ones who are allowed in spaces marked for women.

This is rather poetic. Thanks @Blossom , for mirroring the ingrained Labour party arrogance that has allowed Burnham to believe he could use the people of Makerfield to make him PM.

These people, including Burnham, can’t resist a dismissive little flourish. Not “I disagree with you but your feelings are valid”. But minimising and handwaving away.

He's popular because he's prettier than Starmer and doesn't look like he's about to burst into tears in every interview. That seems to be it though. Better fit for daytime telly presenting if you ask me.

Any proof to say otherwise?

Who do you think should have been or should be PM.

Which is interesting, isn't it? Surely he must know that there are more women voters in the constituency he wants than transgender ones and that the demographic (older, white, less university educated but not stupid no matter what some commentators think) aren't likely to agree with his views. Unless, of course, he wants to keep in with the trendies of Manchester because he's not confident he's going to win. Am I allowed to say that you can't run with the hare and course with the hounds any more? Sorry, if I'm not

he Made these comments before the Supreme Court ruling.

and it is possible to agree with both.

I do.

That could change in the full glare of the media!

I’d definitely have preferred Yvette Cooper over Jeremy Corbyn.

It's the same law. Nothing's changed.

When I was in Manchester, I walked into the ‘gender neutral’ loo - everywhere in Manchester seemed to have them - and saw a man pissing into a urinal and turned around and walked out.

Looking carefully at the two ‘gender neutral’ toilets, I saw one had ‘urinals’ underneath and the other did not, so went into the one without any urinals. It was full of women. On the one hand, men and women were separating themselves regardless of the unisex status. So fine. Except that any man wishing to make women uncomfortable for any reason had every right to go into the toilet women were using and no woman could challenge him.

One poster said just let people use the toilet they feel most comfortable with then we can all crack on with our lives.

But at another gender neutral loo at a Manchester restaurant had locked cubicles with toilets but we all had to share sinks and mirrors and no one, men included, looked particularly happy about it.

Edited to say regardless of this issue, I think Burnham would be a nightmare as Labour leader and as PM.

Agree with both what?

But there's no descriptor for a man who asks to speak to the manager if they receive poor service. Obviously, they're not being entitled when they do that but women are.

I do love the argument about 'minor mistakes' when it comes from the Karen-callers. That's easy to say when you're the one making the mistake isn't it? Just as it's easy for Andy to judge what women should and should want and feel and believe.