Is Andy Burnham reasonable to say only a small minority of women object to men being in their toilets? YABU he's right, YANBU he's wrong *titled tweaked by MNHQ at OP's request*

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https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15830845/Andy-Burnham-men-identify-women-use-female-toilets.html

'I don't think that's a majority view. I think it's a minority view and quite a small minority view, actually. But it is a view so you can't completely ignore it. Possibly they might be women who have experienced male violence at some point in their life. I don't know, that's one way of looking at it.'

Word on the streets says tomorrow :D

We won't have it anyway, good ol' Nige will get rid of all of it when he gets into power.

Not all “gender-neutral” lavs are created equal btw. I blundered into one in Manchester recently, thinking it would all be lockable cubicles. Er, nope. It was a row of urinals (complete with a couple of men having a piss) which you had to walk past to get to one cubicle at the end - so basically, a men’s loo. Horrified, I went straight back out to check I wasn’t actually in the men’s - but there was indeed an all genders sign on the door 😳

In the "who's the biggest bigot?" stakes, I think Farage wins, hands down 😂😂😂
(though he can probably spell it correctly 👍)

What percentage of schools gave actually got these free breakfast clubs? I don't know of any in our area. This was one of the main reasons I voted for them at the last election, that and the promise to increase school funding. Let down on both counts - our school has had to terminate the contracts of 4 TA's as the end of this year due to reduced funding - all women.

Remind me how many female leaders and pm's Labour have had? None that I know of - they'll have them in to tick a box sure, but let them run the party - not a chance

I agree. According to More in Common the latest polling shows a Burnham win in a tight contest. That was before the Reform candidate’s racist social media was uncovered though.

It's not just about toilets.

It's about honesty and competence.

I'm expecting him to take the Starmer line that he will support the Supreme Court Judgement and women's sports but that he also supports trans rights, and then he will hope that nobody ever asks him about the subject again, which won't be enough for some but would be better than nothing.

However, if he takes the SNP/Green line that women are just an idea in a man's head, then I don't see how anyone could take him seriously on anything.

No but you stated that 'current polling indicates that he'll [Burnham] win'. Which is woefully misguided. Polling doesn't tell us anything really, we all know this by now (don't we?). If you knew / understood that area, you'd understand more how his chances of winning, aren't great.

If he thinks only a minority of women have experienced male violence Jess Philips should have a word with him.

Hmm. I mean - a few votes yes? There is no doubt someone in that constituency who will read tis and change their mind

Bt - I reckon WAY MORE PEOPLE will be reading the DAILY MAIL FRONT PAGE and the Times - right?

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-trans-rights-makerfield-by-election-jc367d3tx

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15830845/Andy-Burnham-men-identify-women-use-female-toilets.html

https://x.com/DuncanBannatyne/status/2057028528776900865

Yes I DO think this will change the numbers....

When am told Labour do nothing for women, then I will say not true in response. Cheers.

Well said.

This bathroom issue is one facet of a highly sensitive, much wider debate, as he should know, and nobody in public office should wade into it so boldly and so uninformed. Possibly he believes his (implied) opinion will carry the majority of women voters with him. I suspect not.

This is so true. It is just one facet of of a much wider set of concerns.

Oh God, Burnham, Rayner, and Krankie in one post. I can't bear it 😂

It is the Daily Mail. So whether the quote is entirely accurate I don’t know. They are not going to favour Andy Burnham at all. Whether edited etc…

Have they really never had a woman who was the best person for the job, in all these years? Seems unlikely.

Feel free to make that argument on another thread, you'll need some good proof.

Exactly this. I don’t need a reason. All my male colleagues are great, I still don’t want to piss next to them, locked cubicle or not.

LBC just played the unedited audio recording...

Can he pop back to his mayor job if his fake by election fails or is that it, curtains?

Well Labour tell us men can be women. So in fact they do nothing for women, because women as a unique sex class don't exist to them.

He still keeps Mayor, if (when) he fails (again)

No they are men they can use the men's loos. Couldn't care less about what they've been through.

Insufficient balls to quit...

I don't think that Andy Burnham likes women. He is a man's man, and I think when he thinks of how he appeals to "voters" he is not even thinking about women.

He completely talked down to Yvette Cooper during a previous leadership campaign debate, which put me off him for life. Regardless of what you think about Nicola Sturgeon, he was completely disrespectful to her position during covid, also.

I have to admit though - I can't get worked up about public toilets. I would far rather share female toilets with transwomen than unisex toilets with men, which is where the alternative is heading. The two incidents I can think of locally with attacks in public toilets were 1) a woman being raped by a man in female toilets - the sign on the door didn't stop him. 2) a young boy being raped in male toilets. It just doesn't seem safe for women, transwomen, transmen or children to have to share toilets with men. In an ideal world, there would be ample unisex "other" facilities, for families, trans people, accessibility issues not covered by a blue badge, etc in additional to male and female only, but it's just not pragmatic in the short term at least.