Is Andy Burnham reasonable to say only a small minority of women object to men being in their toilets? YABU he's right, YANBU he's wrong *titled tweaked by MNHQ at OP's request*

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https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15830845/Andy-Burnham-men-identify-women-use-female-toilets.html

'I don't think that's a majority view. I think it's a minority view and quite a small minority view, actually. But it is a view so you can't completely ignore it. Possibly they might be women who have experienced male violence at some point in their life. I don't know, that's one way of looking at it.'

Wow! Genuinely interesting to see these responses. Yes AB’s words re experiences of violence are clumsy, but personally (and I know amongst my girlfriends) I don’t have any issue with trans women using the same bathroom / changing room. Trans women have often been through a lot to get to where they feel they want to be, and I feel this focus on them (and a few pretenders) distracts from the real day to day issues of male violence towards women.

also - even worst some of my friends (non-feminine women) have been confronted by people as to why they’re in the toilet. This is hurtful and rude. If we remember that trans women are less that 1% of the Uk population and just let people use the toilet they feel most comfortable with then we can all crack on with our lives.

Labout are working dreadfully hard at being a single term government aren't they?

How do you distinguish between transwomen and men pretending to be women?

' I don’t have any issue with trans women using the same bathroom / changing room'

Lovely but many women do have an issue with men in the ladies so maybe try a bit of empathy?

What is it you think they have “been through”?! Virtually none of them chop their knob off.

They can wear as many dresses as they like. They just don't get to claim that a different shaped piece of fabric in any way alters their biology

Look, in reality, if I was in a woman’s toilets and a trans identifying man came in, I wouldn’t necessarily be terrified or horrified as regards my own personal safety. But I can completely understand why a lot of women feel differently to me so I side with them. Not with the person who is trying to make everyone else accommodate for their mental health issues. It’s not fair on women. Simple as that.

Would he be as happy as a white man to preach to black men what they ought to think about racism?!!

It’s always enlightening to do the race comparison - exposes a lot of misogyny.

@Ewox you do understand you don't get to consent for all women right?

Single sex spaces are the law and have been for 15 years even though its been ignored at womens expense for 15 years.

No one has the right to "use the spaces they are most comfortable with"

quite

Think I confused the vote voted unreasonable because think he is unreasonable to make that statement not op is unreasonable for asking
I personally (friends friends of friends or family ) don’t know anyone who thinks it’s ok for men/trans men to use women’s toilets

I think so.

I once needed to use a public ladies’ lavatory in a city at night (about 10.30 pm) when I was alone. You had to go downstairs to get into it. I went in alone and into a cubicle. When I came out there was a large man blocking the stairs on the middle step coming down and wanking at me. He must have seen me go in and followed me. My instant response, without a second’s hesitation, was to run at him up the stairs at full force, push against his side, barge past him and run as fast as I could for the next mile.
I never reported it.

Unfortunately, looking at this FOI request, it seems the police keep poor records with far too little detail in tracking information about perpetrators of rape, or where exactly rapes are carried out in public places.
www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/statisticsonvictimsandperpetratorsofrapeintheuk

'Hurtful and rude' isnt as bad as 'sexually assaulted'. If thats the choice youre presenting.

Trans women are men.

Why on earth should they be given access to women's spaces? On what grounds?

Sounds like you and your girlfriends are very easily influenced to give men what they want, regardless of the impact on women.

Of course, he was incorrect then and is now.

However it is important to note that he didn’t say a minority of women, but “minority opinion” 50% of the population are men, and he’s including them in his comment as well. He then goes on to say he thinks is tiny minority of women who are against.

The fact is the majority of men and women are and have always been against transwomen in women’s facilities.

In addition, even though he said this in 2022 he was still wrong then:
https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/43194-where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights-1

“In the case of allowing such trans women to use women’s toilets, willingness falls from 38% in the generic question to 29%, and in the case of changing rooms, from 34% to 25%.

Belief that transgender men who have not undergone gender reassignment surgery should be allowed to use men’s toilets falls from 42% in the generic question to 32%, and changing rooms from 40% to 28%.”

See below for bar chart.

Also 'been through a lot" - that would be girls and women. Why the fuck are they supposed to take care of men with identity issues?

But if I’m coming out the toilets with mess on my hands I really don’t want to have to come out and wash them next to a man. I don’t see why that is rooter to a different time. Probably was deemed important before and I don’t see why it has changed now.

Yes, it’s almost as if the Russians were pulling the strings

So if a man goes through "a lot" they are OK to come into female spaces?

Glad we got that sorted out.

Can you define "A lot"? is it figuring out what eye liner matches their lipstick?

There aren't many red headed men, I still expect them to stay out the female toilets.

I'm so sorry.

Quite.

They would be more competent at it.

Or bellend ignorant, as I like to think it!😨

You are putting words into my mouth. I never said it was OK for men to go into women's toilets because they weren't policed. I said I personally don't have an issue using unisex toilets. I was responding, as an individual, to the question in the OP which was about how individual women feel about sharing female toilets with trans women. I recognise that some other women feel differently and I am not trying to convince anyone that they are wrong to feel how they feel.

You're saying the Russians told Andy Burnham to beclown himself?

Hot take.