To think some older women having tax payers funded ivf are hypocrites?

[Spiderbug]

There seems to be a substantial group of people who are ok with calling teen mums a waste of their tax money but then leave child bearing too late and expect the tax payers to foot the bill for their multiple ivf cycles which costs the tax payer up to 100 million a year.

Hypocrites!!!

Can you give me the figures on thenIVF "booming industry "
And if it's a "booming industry " that's not the NHS is it
Thats private healthcare

As I thought, you're angry over nothing really when it comes to IVF.
Take no notice of those who judged you, honestly, they're nothing. Live your best life and f**k the rest.

I’ve never thought of it that way. But I can see your point.

You mean THE hypocrite just this "woman" that treated you badly not i general.

Personally I don't think that IVF should be funded by the NHS. No-one has the 'right' to have a child in my opinion.

But I'm sure that many people will disagree loudly and emotionally.

Sounds as if you had a tough time being a child and having your own child, which seems as if it has left you with a complex around being a teenage mother.

But, your thinking lines are skewed completely, as is your knowledge of facts.

I would work on your critical thinking skills and the anger you have surrounding your own past.

This.

• UK National Statistics: The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA) provides the definitive overview of UK IVF trends, showing that IVF births have grown from 1 in 44 births in 2013 to roughly 1 in 32 births in recent years.

Believing that teen pregnancy is wrong on so many levels is not exactly the same as "hating" teen mums, is it.

A teen being by definition anywhere between 13 and 19, the issues are not universal either.

I give up
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OP you are just showing your ignorance here into how IVF on the NHS works. The requirements and hoops you have to jump through, the long waiting lists and the postcode lottery nature. Not to mention the fact there is a cut off age.

So no it's not a case of women leaving it too late and suddenly deciding these women have been through years of infertility, testing and heartbreak.

Give your head a wobble and get that chip off your shoulder.

I agree, but only on the principle that younger Mums shouldn't be shamed. There's risk factors in being young, less money etc and risk factors in being older, complicated birth/more disabilities. It just shows that, working, older people can fail to look at the wider picture and be a bit stupid.

I think people are more likely to look down on the parents of kids who get pregnant under the age of 16, than blame the poor girl who ended up in that situation.

It isn’t especially heathy for a teen to have a baby, and of course it’s not just about NhS costs - a young single mum with an unplanned pregnancy is more likely to be on substantial benefits than an older woman who has had more chance to establish her independent finances.

You might have experienced “hate” therefore because people sometimes equate being a young mum with being a benefits leech. It is quite hard to get those young mums’ education and job training back on track so they can fulfil their economic potential.

I do think underneath your rather heated posts, there might be a good point lurking! That women are delaying childbearing for primarily economic reasons, and this perhaps isn’t a good thing for our economy since it often limits size of family (unless you’re happy to pop out kids with a short age gap) and does lead to more complicated pregnancies and births, which in turn cost more money.

The NHS spends more on its postage bill annually (£100 million) than it does on ivf (£77 million).

IVF spending is 0.1% of the total NHS budget and is dropping every year.
like 2 trusts in the country offer the NICE guidelines of 3 full funded rounds. Most people having IVF self fund one or more cycles

its a drop in the ocean of ‘tax payers money’ so kindly choose something else to waste your thoughts on

Does anyone have multiple IVF cycles on the NHS? I've only ever seen people have one NHS cycle if they meet the criteria.

Cross posted with another poster who has said it's two trusts that offer this.

Nobody is disputing that teen Mum's aren't judged, they are and have been for decades. I am sure that when OP got knocked up at 15 she was on the receiving end of judgement I have no doubt about that.

All that most people are disputing is that teen Mum's are unlikely to be judged at a higher rate by women having IVF than any other group of people.

Plus there is zero evidence to support OP's claim.

There was a NHS IVF consultant who said most who are getting treated have just left it too late. She wanted a campaign explaining the dangers of relying on being able to have a live birth, after 38. Her words were condemned on here. This forum is notorious for telling women to not worry about fertility.

It's a complete postcode lottery to how many cycles and acceptance criteria.

Bollocks!

You've literally got ZERO evidence, stats, or proof to back anything up that you're claiming have you @Spiderbug ?

Re; that link you provided, yes, there may be 1 in 32 births born via IVF, but three quarters of them are SELF-FUNDING. And how do you know the women getting the IVF via the NHS are the ones who berate young single mums on benefits? Actually, I don't hear people doing that in real life anyway!

This thread is just pointless.

And specifically, no evidence that women who have chosen to wait til later and then have needed IVF are the same group of people who are rude about teen mum's.

God yeah, all those awful career women. How dare they!

Exactly - she is carrying a scar which I do understand because she would have been on the end of judgement after getting knocked up at 15 - but she is aiming the anger of those scars at the wrong group of people.

This is true.
My close friend’s daughter is 35, and can only have one IVF implant on the NHS. She and her husband are desperate for a baby.

They’re going through the physical process right now. Fingers crossed.

Im not sure she’s classed as an older mother but for sure it’s one cycle only in her area.

I agree.

I also don’t think the NHS should be funding IVF at all. I know that’s unpopular, but I think the NHS should be there primarily to treat illness and keep people healthy, not to fund every deeply wanted life outcome.

Infertility is obviously distressing, and I do have sympathy for couples going through it, but wanting a child and having a medical need aren’t the same thing. The NHS is already struggling to provide timely cancer treatment, mental health support, GP appointments, dentistry, and basic operations. When resources are finite, I think priorities matter.

I also think people underplay the risks and costs involved with IVF itself. IVF pregnancies statistically have higher rates of complications. That has knock-on costs not just for fertility treatment, but for maternity services, neonatal care and long-term healthcare support as well, so when people say we are only spending £X on fertility treatments, they aren’t taking into account the later strain on the NHS.

Plenty of treatments aren’t funded because they’re considered low priority or not cost-effective enough. Fertility treatment seems to get treated differently because emotionally it’s such a sensitive topic.

I’m not saying IVF should be banned, people who want it should absolutely be free to pursue it privately if they choose. I just don’t think it should be funded by the taxpayer.