To think some older women having tax payers funded ivf are hypocrites?

[Spiderbug]

There seems to be a substantial group of people who are ok with calling teen mums a waste of their tax money but then leave child bearing too late and expect the tax payers to foot the bill for their multiple ivf cycles which costs the tax payer up to 100 million a year.

Hypocrites!!!

There's a lot of people on here saying people don't have the right to have a child and shouldn't be having IVF.

The thing is people DO have a right to have a child, just as people have the right to not to choose to have a child. And the right to family life is recognised as such under international law.

Whether people feel IVF should be funded or not, is variable. But IVF parents to be are likely to be older, paid in, and have thought about having children and all it entails.

Unlike most teen parents. 🙄

But you are judging, you are judging a lot of others. Older women who may have put financial independence or a finding a partner before having a child, women who may have medical issues, women who simply may not have felt ready/mature enough for a child until older and keep trying until its nearly too late as they don't want to be a burden, students for hoping to improve their lot (not just highly intelligent ones). I'm sure if I kept reading all your comments there would be more.

You sound bitter and that you are annoyed at other peoples choices, no better, no less than yours, just different. Try having some understanding for mature women who desperately want a child in the way you want understanding for having a child young and the struggles you experienced.

Sorry but if there are hypocrites about, you are one of them.

People have the right to try to have a child. No one has an absolute right to have a child as it cannot be enforced in law, nature will have the final say.

@Spiderbug I said a long way back on this thread that although a child of 15 becoming pregnant is not optimal, support rather than judgement is needed. You however seem very happy to judge women who need IVF for reasons you can't possibly know the circumstances of, perhaps because one of them may have insulted you a few years ago, who knows. You are also happy to talk negatively about students with their 'Mickey Mouse' degrees, when it is highly improbable that any of those young people have ever spoken to you adversely about teen mothers and conflate them into the large band of people you are very willing to disrespect. One of their so called 'Mickey Mouse' degrees is a qualification you don't have and sneering won't change that. Maybe you could expand your life by doing the work to take a degree you consider worthy.

You are 23ish and have worked for 3 years and have no idea whatever what life will throw at you but seem to demand respect when you show none to groups of others, and your " I don't mean nice people" schtick doesn't wash, at all. You have shown yourself disinclined to do anything other than argue the supposed rightness of your narrow viewpoint, whatever other ideas are put to you.

I completely agree. The "arguments" the OP has thrown about are nonsensical and ridiculous at best. You've shown yourself no better than the supposed people judging you than comments you've made about people's degrees and older women having IVF.

Judging people and making comments when you don't know the individual situation is of course not right. But you sitting making accusations of people and saying its OK for you to judge them when they judge you just smacks of immaturity . You haven't shown one sensible or coherent argument.

I mean what's your views on say medical students judging teen mums? Is that OK because it's not a "mickey mouse degree". Or what about a women in her 20s getting ivf judging a teen mum. Is that OK then?

Highly improbable?
A larger number of people think teen mums are pieces of shit than you think. Kids I went to school with called me a skank, slag etc for being 15 and pregnant. Then some of those people went to university and afterwards ended up working at tescos or hmv.
I reiterate I’ve got nothing against university students or ivf mums in general just some people are hypocrites.

And maybe this comment does sound bitter or like I’m dwelling on the past or whatever but I don’t see why I shouldnt point out there’s a lot of hypocrites out there. I don’t think I’ve said anything “mean” about anyone who didn’t deserve it tbh. There was a poster who said ivf kids are weird which of course I agree was a nasty thing to say. That was not me if you’re mixing us up?

The comments you've had about teen mums are of course unacceptable.

But I'm not sure you know the meaning of hypocrisy. People seeking IVF regardless of what they say about teen mums is not hypocritical. It has absolutely no relevance to your situation as a teen mum. Seeking medical treatment is not "wasting" tax payers money. These people are using a system which they have presumably spent a decade or so paying into.

Ditto University students. Even if people don't pay back their loans. They still pay taxes over their working career.

Hypocritical would be someone who has never worked a day in their life complaining about teen mums taking benefits. Or calling them a "slag" while having multiple kids to different dads for example.

Someone getting ivf or going to university has absolutely no relevance again to your situation.

I reiterate I’ve got nothing against university students or ivf mums in general just some people are hypocrites.

Yes, some people are hypocrites. I'd advise you not to dwell on them and live your life, with your child, in the happiest way you can. Everyone has been through stuff and you have much more stuff ahead of you. Recognising that we don't ever really know what goes on for other people is a way of coping with what seems unfair.

Oh and I really would can the 'Mickey Mouse degrees' stuff, when you have never done one. It doesn't make you sound great.

She's had this said multiple times. She's not interested in learning what it means, just likes throwing around the word I think.

@Spiderbug - being this bitter will only hurt you, not the people you are so angry with. Focus on your own life and happiness.

Maybe be grateful you didn't need IVF?

Personally I think one sibling round as well should be funded if you are infertile. Most people want more than one child so why can't that be the same for those who need IVF. I have two IVF children.