To think some older women having tax payers funded ivf are hypocrites?

[Spiderbug]

There seems to be a substantial group of people who are ok with calling teen mums a waste of their tax money but then leave child bearing too late and expect the tax payers to foot the bill for their multiple ivf cycles which costs the tax payer up to 100 million a year.

Hypocrites!!!

Btw, I literally know 0 women who spend their time complaining about “teen mums” and also know 0 women struggling through the trials of IVF for any other reason than they have no options left 🤷‍♀️

So this one woman who judged you for having a baby young is clouding your judgement?

Where did the anger for that post come from?

You know enough "older" women who are having IVF and also criticise teen mums, to make an AIBU of it.

Yeah, course you do.

Do you judge the men too? I’d imagine that the group of people judging teen mums is pretty evenly spread tbh

Women at my work place earning the same money as me, of course they’ve paid in for longer because they are older but if we both live to be 80 we’ll have paid the same amount. Not every older mum is a lawyer

I don't need to have been a teen mum to hear judgement towards them, nor know people judging older women who moaned about teen mums while getting IVF.

I just think you sound angry over perhaps a personal experience and have generalised.

Well, becoming a parent when you are still a child is often a disastrous idea for everyone involved, but I still don’t see a relationship to IVF.

Were you a teen mum? If not why would anyone tell you their thoughts on teen mums

How much IVF do you think these women are having funded? In my NHS trust I’d get 1 cycle. And that’s as an ex cancer patient.

Maybe stop discussing the age you were when you started having sex and got pregnant? Because that's not a discussion that comes often for most of us 😂

This "woman" @Spiderbug what age is she?

Well you do because what reason would it come up in conversation ? I can tell you almost everyone I came across when I was 16 treated me like shit for being a teen mum. But it’s socially acceptable to have IVF on the nhs because you wanted to wait till you were past your fertile prime? Again not a criticism of everyone who has IVF just the hypocrites

75% of IVF is privately funded.

The total annual spend on taxpayer funded fertility treatment equates to about the same we pay in UK national debt interest every 6 hours.

Alternatively it is the same as we spend on the NHS every 2 hours.

There are far bigger costs that you should be concerned about.

The hypocrites that you have zero evidence to support.

To be honest, I'm not sure IVF should be available on the NHS full stop and that is a debate in itself. We don't have the resources to treat cancer and save lives, my own mother would likely be dead now if she didn't have private health insurance as she just could not be seen and it turned out she had very aggressive breast cancer. But that's a wider debate about the purpose of the NHS, where do you draw the line etc.

I agree that as a society we are very hypocritical in how we judge and treat women. But it's not limited to this debate. Everything relating to motherhood is judged. Women can't get it right, ever.

You know there’s an age limit on IVF and most areas only offer 1 round? Maybe 2? What a weird thing to get angry about.

Who cares what costs the 'taxpayer' on the NHS? The NHS is the biggest rip off organisation going and they're happy to fund IVF and many other things to send the data to Palantir. Look it up.

I'm personally tired of people acting like every treatment they ever have via the NHS is some sort of holy grail they should all be so thankful for as if we don't all pay for it, get subpar treatment (medically and by way of courtesy, looking at you NHS receptionists) and should just bow down to this shady institution!

People need to mind their own business about whatever treatment cost the taxpayer 'xyz'.

I don't get any treatment and still pay!

It’s quite blatantly on this thread, so OP has a point.

And you have zero evidence they don’t exist. Why wouldn’t they when it’s socially acceptable to hate teen mums and ivf is a booming industry? Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Criticism I have seen relates to fathers who don't get involved or contribute financially towards their child or people ( male and female) who deliberately choose to have a child when they have only been with someone 5 minutes especially when they keep on doing this.

It's a long time since I have heard someone criticise a teen mum who is getting on with it and doing the best she can.

I know several people who have undergone IVF in their mid to late 30s and it's absolutely not because "they left child bearing too late". It's because they tried and tried naturally for years and couldn't conceive a child.

Not one of them has ever complained that teen mum's are wasting tax payers money.

It sounds like you have a distorted view because of your own experience of some people. This is not, however, a "thing".

You are talking about negative evidence, you made the claim not me.

Well, if I wanted to be unpleasant, I’d counter that at least those people will be adults should they become parents via IVF. I don’t for a moment think anyone should be nasty to teenagers who have children, or that they should not be supported in every possible way to build the best possible life for themselves and their children, but having a child as a result of an unplanned pregnancy when you’re nowhere near adulthood just isn’t a good idea.

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