To think some older women having tax payers funded ivf are hypocrites?

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There seems to be a substantial group of people who are ok with calling teen mums a waste of their tax money but then leave child bearing too late and expect the tax payers to foot the bill for their multiple ivf cycles which costs the tax payer up to 100 million a year.

Hypocrites!!!

Yes I’m not criticising every woman that has ivf btw just the hypocritical ones. I know someone like this disrespected me for being a young mum and then she’s off having nhs ivf. It’s also just socially acceptable to have ivf on the nhs but not to be a teen mums. There will be a lot of hypocrites like what I’ve described and it’s not about everyone that has ivf

I'm sure their experienced gynaecologist would be impressed by your knowledge. Age isn't the only factor for not being able to conceive.

But unless you are tracking individual posters and maintaining a spreadsheet of their opinions on different matters you have NO IDEA whether they are the same people.

You are talking about two separate issues with different impacts. Having an opinion that 15 isn't the ideal age to have a child is not usually about cost.

Older women having IVF may well be have been higher rate tax payers for years and contributed loads more than you - and will continue to do so and then leave loads to the nation in IHT.

It's complex, complicated, each stage of our health and welfare system is there for those who need it and are entitled under current policy. And you are a judgey and goady

(I was neither a teen Mum nor have had IVF)

I agree 🤷🏻‍♀️ people are happy to take out, but not happy to see others do the same

If you're going to spout goady bollocks online it might be best to have some sort of facts to back up your statements
like any facts and figure really
pray tell how much does the nhs spend on ivf each year and what is the percentage of that that's spent on these nasty older teen hating mothers? 10%? 20? 5? I'm intrigued
and do they quiz them when they are referred for ivf regarding their views on teen mums?

Have you an example or personal experience to back your statement up, ?

So one older person you know is getting funded ivf while berating a neighbour teen mum who got pregnant without help ?
They just envious op.
Unjustifiable but
Leave them to their feeings.

Point to me a teenage mum who has been paying into the system for 20+ years, has a stable relationship and has their own place that they pay for.

I was just about to post the same thing. Totally agree with you.

A cycle of ivf via nhs is around same money as uc for an adult and child for 6mths /9mths

I currently have a , mid 30s family member who is pregnant after two attempts at IVF . She wasn't funded through the NHS as the criteria for funding is very prescriptive and she just missed the cut of one of her test results . If she had qualified for NHS funding she would have been entitled to one attempt, the maximum for our area .
What we have learnt from this experience is that IVF is only available for women who have a very good chance of becoming pregnant and that attempts are limited .
Had she tried to get pregnant earlier or later her medical issue would have still been the same .
The NHS funds a range of people who have healthcare needs due to lifestyle choices and have various viewpoints on the spending of taxpayers money .
If the OP knows so many people who hold views she finds abhorrent she needs new friends .

Why? Do you not believe those people exist? I personally know a few and I don’t have a massive circle then there’s just the fact it’s socially acceptable to hate teen mums and it’s fine to have IVF on the NHS.

Again not a criticism of everyone that has ivf on the nhs just talking about the hypocrites here so no need to feel personally attacked unless you are one?

It’s less socially acceptable to be a teenage mum because the negative impacts on said teenage mother’s life overall are enormous and usually life long.

Add to this that teenage boys do not become teenage fathers at the same rate as teenage girls become mothers, which indicates that it is adult men getting young girls pregnant and a degree of predatory behaviour or abuse has taken place.

I mean this woman might have been trying for years IVF isn't handed out like sweets there is a process to go through, or do you think women should just have babies younger regardless of a partner or stable relationship incase they might be infertile or have difficulty conceiving ?

I don’t know any of these women.

but i will say; the likelihood of them being contributors to the tax system is a lot higher than those that have a baby at 16

And what “good reasons” would those be? Many children are conceived naturally and are born with disabilities and genetic disorders. And most IVF children are healthy.

Can't say I have ever encountered in person or online anyone like this.

Teenage motherhood is such a small issue now, I'm not sure anyone's talking about it. Who are all these women discussing teenage pregnancy whilst simultaneously having IVF, and how do you come to know so many of them?

I guess if you haven’t been a teen mums people aren’t going to tell you their opinions on teen mums so how would you know

If you have had a bad experience with this happening to you as a teen mum, and then seen it on social media, it's understandable that you are upset by it. But I have never come across this 'hypocrisy'.
Also I don't think you get IVF on the NHS after 39 so they are not exactly older women who this applies to.

Not sure how you are going to police that, OP.

“please could you fill in this form re your views on mothers under 20 receiving state help as part of the eligibility for nhs funded IVF process”

But I’ll bite, seeing as you obviously want a goady bun fight- I would argue that a woman who has left child bearing “too late” in your opinion, and therefore is probably late 30s/ early 40s has probably contributed a lot more tax towards social services/ the NHS in general than a 15 year old 🤷‍♀️

I am going to try and help you out a bit here, because I think there might be some cognitive issues going on.

If I make a statement that men commit the most violent crimes I am able to use factual evidence, studies, and links, to back that up.

If I say that most men who commit the most violent crimes are called Dave and have size 11 feet because I know two people called Dave with size 11 feet who have committed violent crimes - that is called anecdotal evidence and not readily accepted.

I get what you’re saying and I was a young mum, naïve and vulnerable, I was and am still judged on my lifestyle choices. I’m now the other side working and paying a lot in tax and seeing the devastation that infertility causes to my fellow colleagues. I don’t begrudge them having 10 rounds if it was needed. Why shouldn’t they access NHS funding? Sadly nothing is ever black and white. It’s so easy to judge without knowing someone’s circumstances.

And I paid for my 5 private cycles of ivf in my 40’s

And even that is hard enough to get.