How did Tyson Fury’s daughter get married at 16?

[Wouldcou]

I thought they changed the law and you had to be 18 in the UK?

It’s the only benefit full stop. Not sure if it’s positive or negative.
As mentioned in the thread, things are different for traveller girls in Ireland, they’re educated through secondary school, and the boys, further education training programs, and a small number in universities.
It is on the authorities in England too if these girls are leaving school at 12/13 and younger.

nope 16 is fine. What are the cons to marrying at 16?

@ThejoyofNC

Your society has a divorce rate of 50%. God only knows how many people have depression/ poor mental health. You are in no position to lecture people on how they should live their lives if your own people are unhappy living that way.

I’m not lecturing anyone about how to live their lives: I have gone out of my way to say people should be able to choose the lifestyle they want but on an informed basis. I am saying options should be kept open.

Also with respect, if we are getting down to a tit for tat on mental health, your community has a much higher documented rate of suicide and DV than settled communities do. So this argument doesn’t really do you any favours.

Education teaches you Critical Thinking. This is why it is denied to women in many countries

At 16 and for arguably many years later, people don't make life changing decisions in a vacuum

Do boys 'save' their virginity for marriage too?

Why is this automatically a positive?

If the old adage is true and we don't miss what we've never had, it most definitely is not a positive.

Perhaps that this is one of the reasons why the divorce rate is so high. Women thinking of men from their past who were better in bed.
Comparison is the thief of joy.
This is not a moral judgement.
Just a thought.

To be honest, I don't see how encouraging 16-year-old girls to be promiscuous is necessarily any better than her marrying as a virgin at 16.

Tbh I’m not opposed to 16/17 year olds getting married as long as it’s not to a much older creepy man. But then I had a baby at 16 and was engaged at that age.

Im seeing a lot of nasty comments about Venezuelas appearance online people forget she’s a young girl who didn’t ask for her dad to be famous and could be reading those comments

Girls who have sex outside of marriage are not promiscuous and the use of the word is misogynistic . Interesting that you think women get divorced because they can remember better sex. This goes right into the insecurity of men and is a reason why they don't want women to have sex with others.

I noticed you only quoted the first part of my post and ignored the part about being colonial.

Anyway, you don't appear to know the difference between gypsies and travellers.

'in our culture girls are not expected to sleep with every Tom, Dick or Harry... If my sister did that I'd hang her'

'women belong in the kitchen or on their backs'

• Tyson Fury. And cue the apologists.

Another thing 16 yr olds can already do in Scotland

FMG is a cultural tradition but it doesn't mean it's not up for discussion or criticism.

How is it 'on the authorities in England' if children are leaving education

I never said that just having sex outside of marriage made a girl promiscuous but dating multiple people might.
Another poster said multiple not me.
I do think that remembrance of better sex may play a part in divorce.

Insecurity of men? What are you talking about? It's natural for a man to not want his wife to sleep around.

Is a woman being 'insecure' if she doesn't want her husband to sleep around?

A child has a legal right to an education. If I wanted to home educate tomorrow, remove my DC. I’d be reported to social services for an assessment, if I’d valid reason and a home plan in place, I’d get approval. If not, they’d be all over me like flies, I’d be dragged through the courts by the board of education, possibly sentenced to prison.
The English government could also make better provisions for them in school, run programs to empower the community. Stomping out discrimination, set up further educational programs, hairdressers, beauticians, mechanical roles.
Travelling people attend secondary schools and outreach programs all over Ireland.

A lot of people seem to think all gypsies marry as teenagers, its actually quite uncommon these days.

I'm talking about sleeping with others before you marry someone, as you know. I'm struggling with the idea that you dont know about male insecurities when it comes to sex.

On the difference between gypsies and travellers; its a fair cop. I don’t come from either of those communities so all I have to go on is what is in the public domain. Please educate me. I genuinely would like to understand more.

On the colonial point: yes you are correct that Britain was built on the back of colonialism. But I don’t see how this fact justifies allowing one community to fail to protect children from child marriage and denying young children an education. Saying that we are a colonial society doesn’t provide air cover to ignore the law in perpetuity. Again, we don’t allow non indigenous communities to ignore the laws here.

It’s not really. Two girls in my daughter’s class are getting married next year after the leaving cert at 18.
What’s changed is, young traveller women and the young men they marry have progressed in society and are not so strict on older traditions.

It is uncommon, coming from a gypsy, and lots dont marry at all.
They way people think we are all exactly the same is weird.

I wasn't 'promiscuous'. I married the only man I slept with and over 30 years later, here we still are. BUT...I didn't have to rush into a lifetime commitment to be able to spend time alone with him. I lived with him for four years before we married.

Spending time getting to know someone before marriage isn't just about sex. It's not just about shagging around and having comparisons. It's about nurturing a bond that will last long after that first rush of lust.

If, at 16, the only way I could spend time getting to know my then boyfriend was to marry, I would have done it. Because I thought it was love. It wasn't. I found that out by being able to spend significant time with him. It's actually why we didn't have sex. I found out he was a knob before we got to that point, though we came pretty close.

I wouldn't like to have not had the opportunity to find this out until after we'd made a big commitment. I wouldn't like to have married on an impulse driven by lust which could only be satisfied by marriage. Especially in a culture which frowned on divorce.

How do you think this would work in a community that doesn't value education. It would have been done if it did. In a neighbouring LA hairdressing courses are offered if further education isn't for them but this is all after 16 because before that they are meant to be in school.

Lack of access to education
Adolescent pregnancy which has increased risks for both the mother (eclampsia, anaemia, post partum depression) and the baby (prematurity, low birth weight, SIDs)
Lack of access to contraception and abortion
Limited career opportunities
Great risk of intimate partner violence

actually none of that is true. You wouldn’t be reported to social services cause you want a home educate in the UK. You would be advised that the local authority would be in touch with you and half the time they aren’t and then you’d get a phone call once a year to ask what you’ve been doing you’re not actually required to prove that you are doing any of this.
Older children are a very little interest to social services sadly