How did Tyson Fury’s daughter get married at 16?

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I thought they changed the law and you had to be 18 in the UK?

No it's not that at all. The UK competes England doesn't compete. So how could England come last. People in the other countries however are well used to this.

Some cultures practice FGM too.

Are you going to argue that we can't comment on that or that any comments are cultural imperialism?

Totally agree. There seems to be a lot of nastiness towards the Furys. They are a young couple in love. They are around the same age and she does seem quite a level headed girl. I wish them well.

Also 'if it works for these cultures' - exactly what does that mean?

It works for older patriarchal dominance to have girls married off in cults practicing plural marriage including marriage of minors in the SW USA. It works very well for the patriarchs in these communities to drive out younger men who have no hope of amassing a harem of fourteen year old 'wives', and these youths - who often have only a rudimentary education - are dumped on the streets of cities.

FGM also 'works'. It accomplishes exactly what it is designed to do, namely to maintain the power of men in societies where it is practiced.

This is OK, though, according to you?

You are right. I’d bet my house that if someone said “Scotland came bottom at Eurovision”, they’d be the first complaining how that wasn’t the case!

I find it very strange that you always seem to be having conversations whenever you go abroad about how much everyone hates the English, and not just hates the English, but hates them more than anyone else… and that they can’t even believe you are English!

I’m not sure why you despise your heritage so much. but it’s very sad.

Having a tutor come in a couple of times a week is no substitute for school.

The British (yes British, including Scots etc) have some darker chapters in their history, but to say that it is “full of cruelty the world has never seen” as though we were uniquely evil is plain wrong.

I suggest you read some history. Pretty much every nation has done unspeakable things at some time in their past, many have done things that were arguably worse than what the British ever did. I don’t believe we ever carried out an industrial scale genocide like the Germans or Turks did for instance.

And this idea that you are supremely virtuous and have none, yes none, of the characteristics that are what supposedly makes English people so disliked, doesn’t smack of much profound introspection to me.

It seems you like hanging out with xenophobic people in other countries which is nothing to be proud of.

You're like those women who say "women are bitches, except for me. I'm not like the other women. I'm special"
Except you're doing it about being English

Thank you for a sensible response.

I have been involved in more investigations into modern slavery/Control and supply of class As within the traveller community over the last 30 years than any other community. The investigations take many months, providing a lot of time to observe behaviour. There is without doubt wide spread domestic abuse that appears to be completely acceptable. However, it’s the treatment of girls, controlled into early marriages and multiple pregnancies, with education/schooling actively discouraged that is the most shocking.

Im sure there are many other communities that treat women and girls appallingly but my particular experience is of the traveller community. Not isolated camps - I witnessed this in the Reading area, Faversham Kent , Basingstoke and the midlands. It’s been the same for over 30 years, without any improvement at all over that time.

Did you tell them you don't like Scottish people either as on the Scottish football thread yesterday you are calling Scotland a hostile country

Should a 15 year old be allowed to marry when they want? How about 14? 13? How young is too young in your opinion? What about if a 16 year old wants to marry a 40 year old, is that ok because it’s their choice?

I don’t think that’s a good enough reason anyway, teenagers would like to choose to do all sorts of things that don’t benefit them but that doesn’t mean we should just let them.

I’ll reframe my question - what are the positives benefits to a 16 year old getting married that they wouldn’t have by waiting and marrying at 18?

I’ll reframe my question - what are the positives benefits to a 16 year old getting married that they wouldn’t have by waiting and marrying at 18?
Sex, intimacy, being allowed to spend time alone. Travelling girls save their virginity for marriage. They don’t spend time alone as a couple before marriage.
16 year old settled females can do all of those things, including dating multiple people and having sex.
That’s a positive.

Def not commenting on the traveller community here

Forbidding commentary on different cultural practices leads to issues like the grooming gangs, FGM etc. Cultural practice does not excuse abuse

She got married with the blessing of both her parents. More importantly this was a decision she made for herself. She quite clearly wasn't forced into it however her culture does expect this of young women so perhaps in some ways she is just doing what may feel like to her the inevitable?

I wouldn't have wanted to get married at 16 and I didn't. I wouldn't want my own children (boys or girls) to get married so young either.

Venezuela has been interviewed alongside her mum several times. She came across in some ways older than her years and in some ways less so. She has been raised to believe in traditional gender roles and has been doing housework for years as well as helping her mum care for her many siblings.

I find it incredibly frustrating that the fact there is discrimination towards travelling and Romany communities (which there undoubtedly is) is used as a get out of jail free to tell outsiders that they don’t need to observe the rules on safeguarding and protection of their most vulnerable.

No one of 12, 13, 14 years old should be out of education. Period. There’s no world in which a 16 year girl benefits from having their options closed down that young. You can dress it up as much as you like but it’s limiting people’s lives so much. Girls should be allowed to choose to spend their lives for their families if they want to but not until they have learned to make an informed and educated decision.

We rightly don’t tolerate it from non indigenous communities in the UK. There’s no justification for having a carve out for this community just because “culture”. But the debate is endlessly being shut down because this community has experienced racism.

Plenty of non indigenous communities here have also experienced racism but we don’t hold back from insisting they respect this most fundamental article of protection of the rights of children. Why should the traveller community always have to be different?

Yeah.
I really think that the things said against her marrying at this age are based on a load of cobblers.

She's just marrying for romance.

Yeah like a lot of women.
And if they're not marrying for romance then they've settled and that's wrong, too.

She doesn't know her own mind.

Hmm judging by a lot of posts here, age is no guarantee of wisdom.

Her father cheats

I've no idea if this is true, but I do know that the smug my Nigel wouldn't do that attitude is often down to the fact that a lot of the time nobody wants Nigel so it's not borne of any mortality on his part.
Heck if he's a man a women settles for because she feels she has to have kids soon, not even the wife wants him.
Like a man on a desert island boasting about giving up cigarettes.

As I type this, lots of women in the UK will be facing yet another exhausting week of paid work, housework, childcare rinse and repeat.

She needs an education
While some degree subjects are extremely worthwhile, such as STEM, the majority are pointless and just lead to debt.

The divorce rate is at nearly 50%.

Deep down a lot of women know they've been conned.

Instead of admitting it though, they snipe at a beautiful young woman who, from my perspective, has got it made.

Why can't you understand that what's so important to you, is not important at all to someone else?

Yeah that’s who everyone is talking about. The eldest girl just got married at 16.

I do understand this, and as I have said, if people want to choose the lifestyle once they are old enough to make an informed decision, I have absolutely no problem with this.

But a girl of 12/13/14, even 16, simply doesn’t have the knowledge, the experience or even the cognitive capacity to make this informed decision.

You can choose a traditional lifestyle once you have GCSEs under your belt. Its almost impossible to decide you have made a mistake once you’ve been out of education for five years with small children and a husband. There’s no room to manoeuvre.

Why wouldn’t you want to al least let them get through the first gating phase in their lives which provides optionality? Rather than cutting everything off at the earliest possible opportunity?

Fucks sake maybe lots of women want more from life than a marriage, kids and a bit of cash. At 16 I would’ve withered and died living the life that Venezuela has signed up, I wouldn’t swap places with Paris for all the money in the world. I love that I am educated and successful and I am with my dh and have dc because I want to not because I have to out of cultural or financial necessity. My life is stressful sometimes yes, but painting being reliant on a man for everything as some kind of easy life is completely and demonstrably untrue. Why would the women of the past die to get us our freedoms if being a kept wife and mother is so perfect and amazing?

Being educated isn’t just about making money, it helps you to gain perspectives about complicated topics and an appreciation of how hard it is to actually understand anything at all. Educated women make discoveries and change the world. Who knows what Venezuela is capable of doing, but in 2026 being a nepo baby influencer is apparently is the best thing anyone could be anyway, what a fucking world we live in.

Because to accept it would lead a lot of women to see that the things they've been brought up to believe are important haven't in fact led to fantastic lives.
They'd have to admit that they made bad choices.

The divorce rate is at nearly 50%. Divorces are mainly instigated by women.
Marriage as done by most people is NOT working.

Is that the only positive benefit you can come up with?

Your society has a divorce rate of 50%. God only knows how many people have depression/ poor mental health. You are in no position to lecture people on how they should live their lives if your own people are unhappy living that way.

You have been conditioned to believe that school, university, job, debt, childcare etc are all normal and even good. It's quite ignorant to assume you are living an ideal life and that everyone else must want it. You might even call it colonial.