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to stop extra flexibility after my manager imposed office hours?

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LouuLou · 15/05/2026 13:02

I work in a small office team of five people. I’m the only full-time member of staff, everyone else is part time. We had a new manager start last year and honestly, up until now, things have been really good. We get on well, I like his management style and he has always said he cared more about people getting the work done than clock-watching.

I work very hard. I consistently hit targets, usually go beyond what is expected, and I won an achievement award last month. I also work very flexibly. I regularly start work at 7am, answer emails early, and will often still be available after 6pm. I usually work through lunch too. That flexibility has suited both the organisation and me because it means things get done quickly and I can also fit other parts of life around work. It is one of the things I am regularly complimented on - how quick I get tasks done.

Out of nowhere, he has now announced that I have to be physically in the office 9–5 three days a week. No actual problem has been identified, no concerns raised about my performance, no suggestion that work isn’t getting done. The explanation was basically that he “wants to try something different”.

Fine. He is the manager and he is entitled to set office hours if he wants to. I’m not arguing with that part.

But my feeling is that if he now wants strict contracted hours and presenteeism, then that is exactly what he will get. I no longer see the point in starting at 7am, replying to messages before work, being available into the evening or working through lunch. I’m planning to work my contracted hours, take a proper hour lunch break and log off at the end of the day.

I know this will reduce the amount I actually get done overall. But another part of me thinks flexibility works both ways. If management removes trust and autonomy, they can’t really expect staff to continue giving unpaid goodwill on top.

OP posts:
NoCommentingFromNowOn · 09/06/2026 22:21

CaragianettE · 09/06/2026 22:18

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Edited

OP addressed this once or twice. Have you read through some of her other posts further up the thread?

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 09/06/2026 22:22

That was quickly edited.

Eastendwitches · 09/06/2026 23:23

I've had something similar recently.

Been working somewhere for years and a new manager comes along. Freezes me out of some of my work and doesn't include me on some important decisions related to my role. Seems to think he knows more about my role than me and that it can easily be picked up by anyone. It can't. He's recently backed off as I think he's realised that!

He hasn't got a Scooby and so when I now defer all decision making to him (as, you know, I'm clearly a nobody in his eyes. I genuinely think that he thinks I'm a bit thick when I'm far from it) he has no idea how to respond so just bluffs it.

It's all gonna go wrong soon enough. I've raised issues and asked who is going to be doing that work, he's told me not to worry about it. That's soon gonna bite him on the bum! I've put it all in writing so he can't say I didn't warn him.

When you fuck about with employees and try to fix something that ain't broken, you lose their goodwill.

I used to drop everything for this company and now I don't.

I just do what I'm told now and have stopped explaining to him the consequences of his clueless decision making FAFO.

LouuLou · 10/06/2026 08:03

Eastendwitches · 09/06/2026 23:23

I've had something similar recently.

Been working somewhere for years and a new manager comes along. Freezes me out of some of my work and doesn't include me on some important decisions related to my role. Seems to think he knows more about my role than me and that it can easily be picked up by anyone. It can't. He's recently backed off as I think he's realised that!

He hasn't got a Scooby and so when I now defer all decision making to him (as, you know, I'm clearly a nobody in his eyes. I genuinely think that he thinks I'm a bit thick when I'm far from it) he has no idea how to respond so just bluffs it.

It's all gonna go wrong soon enough. I've raised issues and asked who is going to be doing that work, he's told me not to worry about it. That's soon gonna bite him on the bum! I've put it all in writing so he can't say I didn't warn him.

When you fuck about with employees and try to fix something that ain't broken, you lose their goodwill.

I used to drop everything for this company and now I don't.

I just do what I'm told now and have stopped explaining to him the consequences of his clueless decision making FAFO.

Edited

Sounds frustrating. I am also not offering my manager any ideas. He had implemented a lot of my ideas since he started.

He keep asking me and I will say I don't know. You are the manager, so you deal with it!

I am no longer dropping everything for the company I work for also.

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LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 10/06/2026 08:13

LouuLou · 10/06/2026 08:03

Sounds frustrating. I am also not offering my manager any ideas. He had implemented a lot of my ideas since he started.

He keep asking me and I will say I don't know. You are the manager, so you deal with it!

I am no longer dropping everything for the company I work for also.

Based on this you should probably look for a new job as you’ve lost your motivation with this company. Contributing to the company and giving ideas is part of your job.

what are your ambitions, do you wasn’t to progress/ get promotions?

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 10/06/2026 14:57

LouuLou · 10/06/2026 08:03

Sounds frustrating. I am also not offering my manager any ideas. He had implemented a lot of my ideas since he started.

He keep asking me and I will say I don't know. You are the manager, so you deal with it!

I am no longer dropping everything for the company I work for also.

That sounds as if you’re “quietly quitting”, which wouldn’t have happened had your manager not imposed this way of working on you. I still don’t understand the management’s reasoning behind it. If you had worked as you described, in your own way for years with this company, had received praise for your work and were fulfilled by it, what would this manager gain from making you dissatisfied and into a “Jobsworth” now? Makes no sense to me. (I completely get your work methods before this new system began, by the way - flexibility all round, and nobody takes advantage because that would spoil it for everyone. Makes total sense to me, my favourite (and best paid) job was like that.)

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 10/06/2026 16:14

Agree with @Jaichangecentfoisdenom, to have someone prepared to be working at both 7am and 7pm is fairly rare, many people couldn’t accommodate those timings due to children, commuting, various other things. So the manager must really be feeling it now. Is this week three OP?

LouuLou · 10/06/2026 16:36

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 10/06/2026 14:57

That sounds as if you’re “quietly quitting”, which wouldn’t have happened had your manager not imposed this way of working on you. I still don’t understand the management’s reasoning behind it. If you had worked as you described, in your own way for years with this company, had received praise for your work and were fulfilled by it, what would this manager gain from making you dissatisfied and into a “Jobsworth” now? Makes no sense to me. (I completely get your work methods before this new system began, by the way - flexibility all round, and nobody takes advantage because that would spoil it for everyone. Makes total sense to me, my favourite (and best paid) job was like that.)

Yes I am quietly quitting. All the work is being completed on time but no extra.

Good to hear you get my way of working. A few have been critical on here.

Manager gave me no real reason for the change. But I am going along with what he wants to show co-operation.

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LouuLou · 10/06/2026 16:41

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 10/06/2026 16:14

Agree with @Jaichangecentfoisdenom, to have someone prepared to be working at both 7am and 7pm is fairly rare, many people couldn’t accommodate those timings due to children, commuting, various other things. So the manager must really be feeling it now. Is this week three OP?

Yes 3 weeks in. The manager thought it was a good to change things but doesn't seem to be enjoying it particularly!

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NoCommentingFromNowOn · 10/06/2026 17:06

The thing is, if you leave he will find it tricky to get someone willing to do your old hours and he’ll be stuck doing earlies and lates forever 😵‍💫.

LouuLou · 10/06/2026 17:24

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 10/06/2026 17:06

The thing is, if you leave he will find it tricky to get someone willing to do your old hours and he’ll be stuck doing earlies and lates forever 😵‍💫.

This is true. Not sure he thought this through properly! He is missing things being resolved before he starts work. I will sometimes check email before work but I will not respond to anything until 9am. That is too late for some of the international stuff.

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NoCommentingFromNowOn · 10/06/2026 17:25

Nooooo don’t check things before 9!

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 10/06/2026 17:33

LouuLou · 09/06/2026 10:23

I didn't say anything about my output. I am letting him see for himself.

In terms of whether he is realising he is wrong, he certainly seems to be complaining about the out of hours calls and emails.

How is it a power trip? He is the manager. I am just sticking to my hours - unless that is called a power trip?

He sounds a bit dense. A bit of a know all who thinks he understands things but doesn't really.

He may be noticing that he's having to work harder, but will he actually work out why? And if he does... will he resent you?

I think you may eventually have to start suggesting a return to the old order yourself, although I personally wouldn't want to return to international business calls at 7.00 am etc.

Hishy · 10/06/2026 18:08

I wouldn't rule out that he gets what's happening completely but nevertheless feels it's more important to have someone in the office than having someone pick up work from 7am. Just because he is being inconvenienced doesn't mean that he is "learning a lesson" that he needs to be taught. Maybe he is just prioritising. The fact that you are so confident that sometimes there is simply nothing to do makes it more likely that there is some underlying point to you being there in the office even if you're by yourself.

Still, if it's working for you, it's all good.

I would have thought 8-4 would be a much more sensible choice of hours though, if there is international work you could usefully be doing between 8 & 9. Appreciate it is not your choice.

Wdutua · 10/06/2026 18:11

What a "Wally" your manager is. Makes me wonder if he was like this in a previous position. So pleased your time outside contractual hours is benefitting you.

pragmatismuniversalsentimentalist · 10/06/2026 18:46

Hishy · 10/06/2026 18:08

I wouldn't rule out that he gets what's happening completely but nevertheless feels it's more important to have someone in the office than having someone pick up work from 7am. Just because he is being inconvenienced doesn't mean that he is "learning a lesson" that he needs to be taught. Maybe he is just prioritising. The fact that you are so confident that sometimes there is simply nothing to do makes it more likely that there is some underlying point to you being there in the office even if you're by yourself.

Still, if it's working for you, it's all good.

I would have thought 8-4 would be a much more sensible choice of hours though, if there is international work you could usefully be doing between 8 & 9. Appreciate it is not your choice.

Yes im surprised with the nature of the work and when the busy spells are that they haven't asked OP to work 8-4 or even 7 til 3, would be a more effective change.

LouuLou · 10/06/2026 19:08

Hishy · 10/06/2026 18:08

I wouldn't rule out that he gets what's happening completely but nevertheless feels it's more important to have someone in the office than having someone pick up work from 7am. Just because he is being inconvenienced doesn't mean that he is "learning a lesson" that he needs to be taught. Maybe he is just prioritising. The fact that you are so confident that sometimes there is simply nothing to do makes it more likely that there is some underlying point to you being there in the office even if you're by yourself.

Still, if it's working for you, it's all good.

I would have thought 8-4 would be a much more sensible choice of hours though, if there is international work you could usefully be doing between 8 & 9. Appreciate it is not your choice.

It is fine if he is prioritising - I have no problem with that. It is also fine if he wants me in the office more. Maybe he should stop complaining then about having to pick up the early calls?

There is sometimes nothing to do - other people have posted about jobs like this too. It is not a supermarket where there is always stuff that needs doing.

I sit in the office by myself as he wants. Once I have finished my work, then it is time to get a book out or catch up on my own stuff. I am sorting out my Christmas gift list!

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LouuLou · 10/06/2026 19:09

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 10/06/2026 17:25

Nooooo don’t check things before 9!

I only have a quick look! He is responding so it is all covered.

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Lecruesetisntright · 10/06/2026 19:59

We had this in my last job.

Our department was really flexible, as long as your work got done, you could manage your time as you saw fit. Which often meant people worked early morning or late evening. Whether it was work life balance, or people who were not owls etc. it worked well. There always someone on to respond to emergencies or international issues. It was not meeting heavy work, so no issue if you were AFK during usual working hours. We had a core hours of 10-12.

Upper manage (over all departments) caught wind of a colleague having a regular mid afternoon appointment and demanded we all work 9-5. So we did. After a couple of months questions were being asked as to why no one was answering 7am emails or picking up the phone at 9pm. It was explained to them that you can't have it both ways. Either we have people working a bit more flexibly to cover early and late, or people work 9-5 with no extended breaks. It wasn't an option to have people working 24/7.

We went back to our usual work pattern after that.

Anonanonanonagain · 17/06/2026 20:34

@LouuLou how are things getting on now?

LouuLou · 18/06/2026 18:26

Anonanonanonagain · 17/06/2026 20:34

@LouuLou how are things getting on now?

The same. I am doing my office hours only. Still sitting in the office 3 days on my own but I am keeping busy by making my Christmas card/gift list, reading books, catching up on life admin once I have done all the work.

Manager continues to huff and puff about having to do extra and sends passive aggressive emails. I just ignore them and stick to the set hours.

Thanks for asking!

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RandomMess · 18/06/2026 18:48

😆

Is he never going to admit he was wrong?

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 18/06/2026 19:02

and sends passive aggressive emails

🤯 But this is his choice!

KatherineParr · 18/06/2026 19:07

I'm curious about what is said in the passive aggressive emails

rainbowstardrops · 18/06/2026 19:11

LouuLou · 18/06/2026 18:26

The same. I am doing my office hours only. Still sitting in the office 3 days on my own but I am keeping busy by making my Christmas card/gift list, reading books, catching up on life admin once I have done all the work.

Manager continues to huff and puff about having to do extra and sends passive aggressive emails. I just ignore them and stick to the set hours.

Thanks for asking!

Go you! You’re doing what he asked, so who gives a shit about his passive remarks?! I wouldn’t!

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