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to stop extra flexibility after my manager imposed office hours?

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LouuLou · 15/05/2026 13:02

I work in a small office team of five people. I’m the only full-time member of staff, everyone else is part time. We had a new manager start last year and honestly, up until now, things have been really good. We get on well, I like his management style and he has always said he cared more about people getting the work done than clock-watching.

I work very hard. I consistently hit targets, usually go beyond what is expected, and I won an achievement award last month. I also work very flexibly. I regularly start work at 7am, answer emails early, and will often still be available after 6pm. I usually work through lunch too. That flexibility has suited both the organisation and me because it means things get done quickly and I can also fit other parts of life around work. It is one of the things I am regularly complimented on - how quick I get tasks done.

Out of nowhere, he has now announced that I have to be physically in the office 9–5 three days a week. No actual problem has been identified, no concerns raised about my performance, no suggestion that work isn’t getting done. The explanation was basically that he “wants to try something different”.

Fine. He is the manager and he is entitled to set office hours if he wants to. I’m not arguing with that part.

But my feeling is that if he now wants strict contracted hours and presenteeism, then that is exactly what he will get. I no longer see the point in starting at 7am, replying to messages before work, being available into the evening or working through lunch. I’m planning to work my contracted hours, take a proper hour lunch break and log off at the end of the day.

I know this will reduce the amount I actually get done overall. But another part of me thinks flexibility works both ways. If management removes trust and autonomy, they can’t really expect staff to continue giving unpaid goodwill on top.

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blubberyboo · 15/05/2026 13:49

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 13:24

From my OP:

That flexibility has suited both the organisation and me because it means things get done quickly and I can also fit other parts of life around work. It is one of the things I am regularly complimented on - how quick I get tasks done.

You missed what ScotiaLass was trying to convey and it wasn’t covered in your OP

it may not be about your speed or productivity but about how your absence during the normal working days impact the speed and productivity of others. The team may be experiencing sludge or friction in their day because they cannot reach you. If he is a good manager he will have asked them why you are winning prizes and they are not. More than likely they have commented on you being away from your desk when needed

Gwenhwyfar · 15/05/2026 13:49

"I no longer see the point in starting at 7am, replying to messages before work, being available into the evening or working through lunch"

You shouldn't have been doing that anyway. Are you also a manager?

AllTheChaos · 15/05/2026 13:49

WhatAMarvelousTune · 15/05/2026 13:28

YANBU. You’ll be commuting now anyway, obviously that’s what you’ll be doing pre-9am, so can’t be working.

At an old job of mine, there was a role done by one guy, and I was the only person who could cover it (it was a fairly small company). He was off for 2 weeks so I was doing 2 full time jobs, and his role was pretty intense. I was in the office until ~10pm, by myself, for the first week. We had clock in/out cards, and on the Monday of the second week the other guy was off, my manager called me in and he had my clock in/out times up on the screen. He could see I’d been in until 10pm all week, and had mainly arrived around 7:30/8am, but on the Friday I’d clocked in at 09:04. He wanted to talk to me to tell me that that lateness was unacceptable.
Ok. Fine. My bad. I’m supposed to be in at 9 so I will be. I’ll also be out the door at 17:30 and you can deal with the clients who want to know where the work is.

I had one like this and found a new job ASAP. May I ask what his response was to you no longer working 5-6 hours extra, unpaid hours a day?!

Littlebobbin15 · 15/05/2026 13:51

Are you away for blocks of time during the day, and can this impact on others?
It may be that the manager prefers you fully available for work between 9-5.

Fairyliz · 15/05/2026 13:51

Objectrelations · 15/05/2026 13:27

Have you tried having a conversation with him about his rationale and trying to negotiate based on his answer?

Yes surely this is what a mature professional would do before stamping their feet and sulking.
It sounds like a blanket ban because some members of the team are taking the piss.

WallaceinAnderland · 15/05/2026 13:52

What you are proposing is perfectly normal. Most people are not expected to work outside of their contracted hours.

Ablondiebutagoody · 15/05/2026 13:53

If you are currently working 7 till 6 plus your lunch break, how much time are you taking off during the day and when? There must be chunks of time that you are unavailable to people working the normal office hours.

Pinribbons · 15/05/2026 13:54

Gwenhwyfar · 15/05/2026 13:49

"I no longer see the point in starting at 7am, replying to messages before work, being available into the evening or working through lunch"

You shouldn't have been doing that anyway. Are you also a manager?

You might find he doesn't either. It's more useful to him to have you there when he (or others) need you during the working day, than to have you answering messages out of hours because it suits you and acting like you're doing them some sort or favour.

MrsJeanLuc · 15/05/2026 13:54

blubberyboo · 15/05/2026 13:49

You missed what ScotiaLass was trying to convey and it wasn’t covered in your OP

it may not be about your speed or productivity but about how your absence during the normal working days impact the speed and productivity of others. The team may be experiencing sludge or friction in their day because they cannot reach you. If he is a good manager he will have asked them why you are winning prizes and they are not. More than likely they have commented on you being away from your desk when needed

Exactly this. You need to ask your boss what his reasoning is.

I worked for a company that had offices all over the world and was very flexible in terms of working hours - so long as the work got done you cuold more or less dictate your own hours (and we were encouraged put them in our email signature so that other people would be aware when they could expect a response to queries, for example)

It was great and everybody loved it. But it did make it hard to schedule meetings in the middle of the afternoon - as a good 30%/40% of the UK staff would be off doing the school run.

UpDownAllAround1 · 15/05/2026 13:54

Are any the part time staff being asked to work in the office more?

Scout2016 · 15/05/2026 13:54

You aren't working 7am-6pm are you? Do you mean you get your work done in those hours but might go for a run or to the supermarket or whatever at some point too? I don't see why that should be an issue but if you were solidly working I would say don't!

To your actual question I agree just do 9-5 those days. Block out your lunch break in your online calendar each office day and go for it. He's asked for it without any decent reason given so do it.

PermanentTemporary · 15/05/2026 13:55

I wouldn’t be vocal about it. Ultimately as you’ve said, he is the manager, he sets the priorities. Either you decide to go for a management role and take on that burden, or you do what they ask and enjoy not stressing. I think I would make sure I did something enjoyable on the commute like reading/listening to fabulous books, which I would then recommend to colleagues, and make sure that you book team social events that require everyone to leave on the dot.

Im bloody lucky to start my day from home (community therapy job, driving around all day). I am dreading the day I get one of these managers who thinks that is all piling in to the cupboard that is our office is an efficient start to the day. But in the end, presumably there is a reason for the change.

WhatAMarvelousTune · 15/05/2026 13:57

honeylulu · 15/05/2026 13:41

Yes if he wants work to rule then that's what he'll get.

My firm are trying to increase office days. The motivator for this is that a lot of people aren't meeting time targets and are "shirking from home" to some extent but more productive in the office. By making it a blanket policy though they are going to drive down the productivity of the "over and above" people because the extra commuting will chip away at it. I think I might just have to let them see it for themselves.

My current company did this. And now I have to listen to them wring their hands about why overtime hours (and therefore total chargeable hours) are down.

WhatAMarvelousTune · 15/05/2026 13:59

LadyDanburysHat · 15/05/2026 13:48

I genuinely don't understand managers like this. No appreciation for the extra work, just nitpicky on stupid little details, despite you working way over your hours.

It was especially stupid because the guy who was away wasn’t back for a week. If he was smart he’d have waited until after I’d done another week of 10pm finishes to tell me off!

AllThesePaperDreams · 15/05/2026 13:59

PivotPivotmakingmargaritas · 15/05/2026 13:09

I’d be a step more manipulative shrew as I’m peri and over twats…. Go into the office 3 days do only 9-5 excluding break but then do more work hours on your two home days - if you want too- so the data points show more work at home than in the office.

This is brilliant 👌

CoverLikelyZebra · 15/05/2026 14:02

PivotPivotmakingmargaritas · 15/05/2026 13:09

I’d be a step more manipulative shrew as I’m peri and over twats…. Go into the office 3 days do only 9-5 excluding break but then do more work hours on your two home days - if you want too- so the data points show more work at home than in the office.

This.

On your 3 office dats do your 7hrs work and 1hr lunchbreak exactly by the book, no flexibility.

On your 2 wfh days work your 7+ hrs flexibly between 7am and 6pm with breaks for laundry and shopping and kids-taxi-driving as needed but being available for work when other things allow, potentially for more than the basic 7hrs.

Keep records of what you achieve and ask for a review after 2 months suggesting that 2 days in the office may be more efficient.

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 14:05

Objectrelations · 15/05/2026 13:27

Have you tried having a conversation with him about his rationale and trying to negotiate based on his answer?

The only answer he gave was he wanted to try something different. Wouldn't engage anymore.

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Delphiniumandlupins · 15/05/2026 14:05

Getting tasks done quickly is great but not the only indicator of a good worker. Your employer also wants tasks done well. They want reliability. They may value an ability to slot into different roles. Are you always available when your boss/colleagues want to contact you?

anxiouslywaiting8 · 15/05/2026 14:06

Of course you should stop doing unpaid hours for the benefit of the company when they've done this to you for no apparent reason.

One of the benefits of WFH is that it does allow people to be more flexible and if they want you in the office 9-5 then you work 9-5, take your lunch break and if anything is said in the future about things not getting done then you'll have a reason why.

Applesonthelawn · 15/05/2026 14:06

YANBU. It's a shame that overall, workers who are allowed the flexibility you enjoy do not put the same effort into their work. Where I work, people are doing a fraction of what they did prior to Covid. So there are always going to be some people who ruin it for others, that's what's happened, and these are the consequences.

Winter2020 · 15/05/2026 14:07

PivotPivotmakingmargaritas · 15/05/2026 13:09

I’d be a step more manipulative shrew as I’m peri and over twats…. Go into the office 3 days do only 9-5 excluding break but then do more work hours on your two home days - if you want too- so the data points show more work at home than in the office.

I must be slow on the uptake but why not just work your contracted hours at home too and have a nicer work life balance? Going above and beyond obviously isn't appreciated so why bother?

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 14:09

Pinribbons · 15/05/2026 13:48

Of course you're not unreasonable to work your contracted hours, any more than he's unreasonable to want you to do them in the office, but don't go thinking it's some sort of "gotcha". Honestly, no one will care.

I never thought it will be any kind of gotcha.

But he will care when I slow down in getting stuff done as it will not be done first thing or after hours as he likes.

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AnneLovesGilbert · 15/05/2026 14:10

You’re absolutely right that flexibility should work both ways and I’d stop doing a minute extra if he’s going to make you go in and won’t even explain why.

canuckup · 15/05/2026 14:10

Totally agree.

In a similar situation here: WFH I ma online for around ten hours, if I'm in the office it's 8.

He sounds short-sighted at best.

WhatAMarvelousTune · 15/05/2026 14:11

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 14:09

I never thought it will be any kind of gotcha.

But he will care when I slow down in getting stuff done as it will not be done first thing or after hours as he likes.

He’s going to have to realise that he can either have things done at 7am, or he can have you in the office. Can’t have both.