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to stop extra flexibility after my manager imposed office hours?

631 replies

LouuLou · 15/05/2026 13:02

I work in a small office team of five people. I’m the only full-time member of staff, everyone else is part time. We had a new manager start last year and honestly, up until now, things have been really good. We get on well, I like his management style and he has always said he cared more about people getting the work done than clock-watching.

I work very hard. I consistently hit targets, usually go beyond what is expected, and I won an achievement award last month. I also work very flexibly. I regularly start work at 7am, answer emails early, and will often still be available after 6pm. I usually work through lunch too. That flexibility has suited both the organisation and me because it means things get done quickly and I can also fit other parts of life around work. It is one of the things I am regularly complimented on - how quick I get tasks done.

Out of nowhere, he has now announced that I have to be physically in the office 9–5 three days a week. No actual problem has been identified, no concerns raised about my performance, no suggestion that work isn’t getting done. The explanation was basically that he “wants to try something different”.

Fine. He is the manager and he is entitled to set office hours if he wants to. I’m not arguing with that part.

But my feeling is that if he now wants strict contracted hours and presenteeism, then that is exactly what he will get. I no longer see the point in starting at 7am, replying to messages before work, being available into the evening or working through lunch. I’m planning to work my contracted hours, take a proper hour lunch break and log off at the end of the day.

I know this will reduce the amount I actually get done overall. But another part of me thinks flexibility works both ways. If management removes trust and autonomy, they can’t really expect staff to continue giving unpaid goodwill on top.

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LaurieFairyCake · 27/05/2026 18:50

I’m basically waiting for your idiot manager to start asking you to work differently again. This will be put forward like this (as he won’t want to admit wrongdoing):

”ah Lou, just to let you know we’ve reviewed our processes and we’d like to ask you to go back to more frequent home working and not to share our decision with the others”

LouuLou · 27/05/2026 18:57

LaurieFairyCake · 27/05/2026 18:50

I’m basically waiting for your idiot manager to start asking you to work differently again. This will be put forward like this (as he won’t want to admit wrongdoing):

”ah Lou, just to let you know we’ve reviewed our processes and we’d like to ask you to go back to more frequent home working and not to share our decision with the others”

I really hope so too!

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ImImmortalNowBabyDoll · 27/05/2026 19:56

LouuLou · 27/05/2026 18:43

So what should I do then?

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Anonanonanonagain · 28/05/2026 05:31

How is it all going anyway OP? I am another that feels you will be asked to revert back unless as I said before it is a shake up by someone over your manager to see how little he does or to make him do more. As I said I have been that soldier and my company realised fairly swiftly how much more productive working from home can be when all the little extra bits stopped getting done. I even got a payrise in fact so I am hopeful for you going forward.

LouuLou · 28/05/2026 07:51

Anonanonanonagain · 28/05/2026 05:31

How is it all going anyway OP? I am another that feels you will be asked to revert back unless as I said before it is a shake up by someone over your manager to see how little he does or to make him do more. As I said I have been that soldier and my company realised fairly swiftly how much more productive working from home can be when all the little extra bits stopped getting done. I even got a payrise in fact so I am hopeful for you going forward.

I have had a week off this week. The manager was getting annoyed even in the first week at the additional work it was creating for him. You would think he would at least have done the extra work happily. I am not going to say anything and keep working my set hours. He can do the out of hours stuff.

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Allergictoironing · 28/05/2026 08:07

letmebetheone · 27/05/2026 18:40

Your manager appreciated you dealing with the early morning stuff and does not like having to do it himself.

Yet he has stopped you doing it and made life more difficult for himself.

Ask yourself why he would do that. Why, if you are so good at your job would they be willing to rock the boat and piss you off?

Every company has at least one employee that thinks they know better than management. Your posts do have a lot of 'Ha, I will show them' attitude the way you speak about your manager.

You working from home and supposedly doing your own work, your managers work and making yourself indispensable clearly is not what the company want.
If your way of working was a benefit to the company they would not be changing things.

More likely senior management have decreed that for each team, x% of FTE needs to be in every week - seen that or similar in many places.

Trouble is, they don't think it through.

Take where my SiL works - all must go in x days per week, and they calculated that allowing for annual leave, typical sick & other types of absences, the average was YYY people in per day. So they decided that YYY desks were enough as long as all desks were hot desks. This doesn't allow for certain days and dates where many fewer are likely to be in, e.g. school holidays, or that much of the time there can be many more people in than the average. So this has left staff trying to work from areas like the rest areas where they aren't supposed to work. SiL is an early starter, usually in by 8am, but even so she's missed out on there being a desk available when she gets in.

They tried to do the same where I work (Reform council). In that case there were enough desks, just not enough parking for an almost full building. Plus the individual desks having to be booked means teams can rarely sit together, and there are never enough meeting rooms for team meetings. Public transport isn't really an option there - nearest station (smaller out of town, so fewer trains) about 3 miles away & the nearest bus stop a 10 minute walk with buses not terribly frequent. At least they've finally put barriers up for our car park - next door building started charging for parking both for staff and visitors, so they would try to park that side of hours.

Never mistakenly think there's something sinister about a new rule, when 90% of the time it's been ivory towered or just sheer incompetence.

Kerry242 · 28/05/2026 19:06

I think it's totally fair - you aren't doing emails at 7am because you're busy getting ready for work and commuting.

Likewise at 5pm - you're leaving to get home.

If questioned I'd reply - well when I wfh home I have more time - I'm not commuting/getting ready and after 5pm I've logged off. At home there's no specific time where I'm powering down a laptop.

Then ask - are you specifically asking me to log back on in an evening? Or log on prior to work because if so then I think we need a conversation about my contracted hours and pay.....

LouuLou · 28/05/2026 19:44

Kerry242 · 28/05/2026 19:06

I think it's totally fair - you aren't doing emails at 7am because you're busy getting ready for work and commuting.

Likewise at 5pm - you're leaving to get home.

If questioned I'd reply - well when I wfh home I have more time - I'm not commuting/getting ready and after 5pm I've logged off. At home there's no specific time where I'm powering down a laptop.

Then ask - are you specifically asking me to log back on in an evening? Or log on prior to work because if so then I think we need a conversation about my contracted hours and pay.....

This is great thank you.

I will give these replies if I am questioned. I definitely need to be direct when asking.

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honeybeetheoneandonly · 29/05/2026 08:43

If you are not contracted to work early or late it will just have to wait. In my previous job, I worked with mainland Europe and started at 7am to start with their 8am team. The rest of my team started at 9am, which was 10am over there. If I was on holiday or otherwise unavailable nobody started two hours earlier to cover. Mainland Europe just had to wait until after 10am for the day to start. Annoying for our Europe colleagues but we didn't save lives and it didn't really matter. I'm surprised your manager does it at all. Let him grumble and get on with it or decide they'll just have to wait.

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 01/06/2026 21:47

How did today go OP?

practicalmagictime · 01/06/2026 22:13

I think some people think you have to be constantly working when you’re at work. I can’t WFH but my job is reactive. Sometimes I feel guilty when I’m doing nothing but there genuinely is nothing to do, I’m being paid to be there to wait to react to something

LouuLou · 02/06/2026 08:15

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 01/06/2026 21:47

How did today go OP?

It went well. I did my set office hours. No early work or no work after hours. The manager has given some of the international tasks I usually do over to one of the part time staff. I presume because I can no longer fit it in anymore. That part time member of staff will be leaving in August so manager will have to take it on himself or give it to someone else.

I sat in the office all day by myself as usual. It was peaceful. I finished all my work quickly so caught up on my own work.

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LouuLou · 02/06/2026 08:17

practicalmagictime · 01/06/2026 22:13

I think some people think you have to be constantly working when you’re at work. I can’t WFH but my job is reactive. Sometimes I feel guilty when I’m doing nothing but there genuinely is nothing to do, I’m being paid to be there to wait to react to something

I know. My job is like this. It can be busy non stop but there are natural quiet times so I usually get on with my own stuff. I have stuff I can do at the office and I have plenty to do at home.

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LouuLou · 02/06/2026 08:17

honeybeetheoneandonly · 29/05/2026 08:43

If you are not contracted to work early or late it will just have to wait. In my previous job, I worked with mainland Europe and started at 7am to start with their 8am team. The rest of my team started at 9am, which was 10am over there. If I was on holiday or otherwise unavailable nobody started two hours earlier to cover. Mainland Europe just had to wait until after 10am for the day to start. Annoying for our Europe colleagues but we didn't save lives and it didn't really matter. I'm surprised your manager does it at all. Let him grumble and get on with it or decide they'll just have to wait.

It is funny hearing him grumble about something I have been doing for ages!

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Skinnydecafflatte · Yesterday 18:06

@LouuLou
just interested how it’s going? Are you finding it calmer just doing your hours?

LouuLou · Yesterday 18:09

Skinnydecafflatte · Yesterday 18:06

@LouuLou
just interested how it’s going? Are you finding it calmer just doing your hours?

I am finding it calmer actually so it is good in that sense. I was sat in the office on my own all day so ordered myself a treat from deliveroo.

Manager is getting stressed taking on the additional work but I am sure he will cope!

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HmmWhatNameToHave · Yesterday 19:00

I love this loulou, I can envision you sat comfortably at your desk doing your work efficiently, stopping for a leisurely lunch enjoying your food delivery, while your manager who didn't realise how lucky he was, is feeling really tired as he's having to field queries from home even before his work day starts. No doubt before he made these 'improvements' he thought he was going to be really clamping down on your easy workload as you were working from home.
So the big question is, what will he say when he reviews the working arrangements, and will you offer to return to your flexible working (and obviously making his life easier again)…?

NoCommentingFromNowOn · Yesterday 19:44

I was wondering how you were getting on! Enjoy your 9am starts!

Doubledenim305 · Yesterday 20:26

This is brilliant OP🥳 thanks for update. X

peppaispoop · Yesterday 20:35

But you still have to go to the office so he clearly he still wants the new arrangement.

NoCommentingFromNowOn · Yesterday 20:50

peppaispoop · Yesterday 20:35

But you still have to go to the office so he clearly he still wants the new arrangement.

I think OP said she does Monday Wednesday Friday 9-5 in the office, then Tuesday Thursday 9-5 at home.

LouuLou · Yesterday 22:16

HmmWhatNameToHave · Yesterday 19:00

I love this loulou, I can envision you sat comfortably at your desk doing your work efficiently, stopping for a leisurely lunch enjoying your food delivery, while your manager who didn't realise how lucky he was, is feeling really tired as he's having to field queries from home even before his work day starts. No doubt before he made these 'improvements' he thought he was going to be really clamping down on your easy workload as you were working from home.
So the big question is, what will he say when he reviews the working arrangements, and will you offer to return to your flexible working (and obviously making his life easier again)…?

I am seeing a brighter side to this arrangement after all!

If he is in the office then I can leave the office for my full hour lunch which I never used to do.

I wonder how long he wants to try this 'new different' way of doing things! I definitely do not miss the early morning calls.

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LouuLou · Yesterday 22:17

NoCommentingFromNowOn · Yesterday 20:50

I think OP said she does Monday Wednesday Friday 9-5 in the office, then Tuesday Thursday 9-5 at home.

Yes that is correct. I have got books out of the library to read on my office days once I have finished all my work.

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ClayPotaLot · Yesterday 23:05

LouuLou · Yesterday 22:16

I am seeing a brighter side to this arrangement after all!

If he is in the office then I can leave the office for my full hour lunch which I never used to do.

I wonder how long he wants to try this 'new different' way of doing things! I definitely do not miss the early morning calls.

What are the arrangements for lunch when he isn't in the office?

SadieB00 · Today 06:04

it is great to see you are enjoying more balance with this new way of working. Can I ask what the company’s expectation is when you are finished your work? The reason I ask is that I would expect when people are super busy that they still only do what is deemed manageable in a working day (however many hours that is), I would not expect people to do ten hours work in 7 hours time for example. Essentially - the company is paying you for a certain time period, they are not and should not expect you to do double the measured work in any given day. No one can do (genuinely) the work of two people in a day and get the same required quality, it’s not realistic or sustainable. I would therefore expect good quality work, at a measured level and a conversation that says - Hi, I’ve finished everything that came in today and I’ve 3 hours left, is there anything else you would like prioritised or considered / planned / started before I finish? I find, from reading this whole thread that the biggest issue to be one of communication, one in the way he has communicated an ask to you that we cannot seem to fathom why and the other your reluctance to face into conversation and only answer the questions he asks - it’s almost like quiet quitting.

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