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to stop extra flexibility after my manager imposed office hours?

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LouuLou · 15/05/2026 13:02

I work in a small office team of five people. I’m the only full-time member of staff, everyone else is part time. We had a new manager start last year and honestly, up until now, things have been really good. We get on well, I like his management style and he has always said he cared more about people getting the work done than clock-watching.

I work very hard. I consistently hit targets, usually go beyond what is expected, and I won an achievement award last month. I also work very flexibly. I regularly start work at 7am, answer emails early, and will often still be available after 6pm. I usually work through lunch too. That flexibility has suited both the organisation and me because it means things get done quickly and I can also fit other parts of life around work. It is one of the things I am regularly complimented on - how quick I get tasks done.

Out of nowhere, he has now announced that I have to be physically in the office 9–5 three days a week. No actual problem has been identified, no concerns raised about my performance, no suggestion that work isn’t getting done. The explanation was basically that he “wants to try something different”.

Fine. He is the manager and he is entitled to set office hours if he wants to. I’m not arguing with that part.

But my feeling is that if he now wants strict contracted hours and presenteeism, then that is exactly what he will get. I no longer see the point in starting at 7am, replying to messages before work, being available into the evening or working through lunch. I’m planning to work my contracted hours, take a proper hour lunch break and log off at the end of the day.

I know this will reduce the amount I actually get done overall. But another part of me thinks flexibility works both ways. If management removes trust and autonomy, they can’t really expect staff to continue giving unpaid goodwill on top.

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EmpressaurusKitty · 21/05/2026 18:15

Is it definitely up to him though?

We’re having to go in more often but it’s been made clear that the decision’s come from the top.

LouuLou · 21/05/2026 18:48

EmpressaurusKitty · 21/05/2026 18:15

Is it definitely up to him though?

We’re having to go in more often but it’s been made clear that the decision’s come from the top.

It s his choice. There are people in other teams who come in once a month.

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TangerineUnicorn · 21/05/2026 18:59

I wonder if manager’s chain of command has implemented ActiveTrak software. If they have then the work behaviour you describe would be flagged and tbh working quickly at a task would be punished by ActiveTrak reports, as would scheduling emails and then doing personal stuff. Seeing my own and cross company reports was very interesting because people who I would consider to be effective can look bad for scheduling work to be delivered as they’re browsing the TUI website or watching videos on YouTube or doing a Tesco order (none of which I’m accusing you of because I think people are mad to do that sort of thing on work laptops). When my work implemented it those who were behaving like this started to come under a lot of scrutiny.

LouuLou · 21/05/2026 19:06

TangerineUnicorn · 21/05/2026 18:59

I wonder if manager’s chain of command has implemented ActiveTrak software. If they have then the work behaviour you describe would be flagged and tbh working quickly at a task would be punished by ActiveTrak reports, as would scheduling emails and then doing personal stuff. Seeing my own and cross company reports was very interesting because people who I would consider to be effective can look bad for scheduling work to be delivered as they’re browsing the TUI website or watching videos on YouTube or doing a Tesco order (none of which I’m accusing you of because I think people are mad to do that sort of thing on work laptops). When my work implemented it those who were behaving like this started to come under a lot of scrutiny.

I haven't heard of that software. If that has been implemented, how does it help with bringing me into the office more? My appraisal was very positive last month.

I usually have my iPad with me so look on there if I want to browse and shop.

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TangerineUnicorn · 21/05/2026 19:16

LouuLou · 21/05/2026 19:06

I haven't heard of that software. If that has been implemented, how does it help with bringing me into the office more? My appraisal was very positive last month.

I usually have my iPad with me so look on there if I want to browse and shop.

Colleagues who were flagged came under scrutiny and in my experience were asked to come into the office more or had extra eyes on them. This would fit that model coming out of the blue. I’m not defending it as there’s clearly a large element of presenteeism rewarded for people who are slow workers but who just do their emails and teams calls and look at work-related websites. The software also reports on effectiveness at home vs the office. One well-regarded colleague was looked at in a new light when it turned out he was watching rugby matches for swathes of the day on YouTube. I thought well he might have two screens going but my boss didn’t take that attitude at all. Web activity is divided into work-related and not and that’s part of the (pretty complex and detailed) behavioural reporting. I’d be scrupulous now at work and home in not doing your shopping/banking/mums netting on work computer. They could see this for example 🙈

LouuLou · 21/05/2026 19:37

TangerineUnicorn · 21/05/2026 19:16

Colleagues who were flagged came under scrutiny and in my experience were asked to come into the office more or had extra eyes on them. This would fit that model coming out of the blue. I’m not defending it as there’s clearly a large element of presenteeism rewarded for people who are slow workers but who just do their emails and teams calls and look at work-related websites. The software also reports on effectiveness at home vs the office. One well-regarded colleague was looked at in a new light when it turned out he was watching rugby matches for swathes of the day on YouTube. I thought well he might have two screens going but my boss didn’t take that attitude at all. Web activity is divided into work-related and not and that’s part of the (pretty complex and detailed) behavioural reporting. I’d be scrupulous now at work and home in not doing your shopping/banking/mums netting on work computer. They could see this for example 🙈

That's fine.

I usually have my iPad with me so look on there if I want to browse and shop.

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Doubledenim305 · 21/05/2026 20:32

If he's complaining about early morning calls and not having breakfast with his kids say, yes this situation doesn't work as well for me either. I was happy the way it was and you changed it which is fine because you are the boss (Derek 😆), but if you want breakfast with the kids etc etc then we can go back to how it was. It really is up to you.
I think that would give him the opportunity to back track on his decision or stop complaining because it's a situation of his own engineering.
Oh Derek 🙃

Preppyprepper · 21/05/2026 20:43

There is also software that can detect a mouse jiggler, for example. Using which is generally seen as misconduct

FunMustard · 21/05/2026 23:39

I can't believe this thread is still rumbling on.

Maybe I'm just too literal, but if the business wants me in the office, as irritating as that is, I just have to do it because I work for a company not for myself. Sure it's nice to be able to manage your own hours etc., but sometimes you just have to suck it up that management want something that you don't want.

I've never been the person to work outside of my own hours really - apart from last year which really did me no favours at all - so I can't relate to that. I did once do some live QA of overnight staff but I absolutely took that time back in lieu!

LouuLou · 22/05/2026 08:01

FunMustard · 21/05/2026 23:39

I can't believe this thread is still rumbling on.

Maybe I'm just too literal, but if the business wants me in the office, as irritating as that is, I just have to do it because I work for a company not for myself. Sure it's nice to be able to manage your own hours etc., but sometimes you just have to suck it up that management want something that you don't want.

I've never been the person to work outside of my own hours really - apart from last year which really did me no favours at all - so I can't relate to that. I did once do some live QA of overnight staff but I absolutely took that time back in lieu!

The manager wants me in the office, I am in the office 3 days a week as requested. I haven't opposed it, just stopped doing the extras that made less work for him.

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Hillarious · 22/05/2026 08:30

LouuLou · 22/05/2026 08:01

The manager wants me in the office, I am in the office 3 days a week as requested. I haven't opposed it, just stopped doing the extras that made less work for him.

I think we’re all quite aware of this now.

Anonanonanonagain · 22/05/2026 08:46

If this really is solely his decision I wonder how long it will be before you are called to meet with him to discuss the possibility of going back to the way things used to be. He is clearly seeing already that this new set up does not suit his own life. How are you responding when he moans about things?

CliantheLang · 22/05/2026 09:10

Anonanonanonagain · 22/05/2026 08:46

If this really is solely his decision I wonder how long it will be before you are called to meet with him to discuss the possibility of going back to the way things used to be. He is clearly seeing already that this new set up does not suit his own life. How are you responding when he moans about things?

How I imagine the OP responding.

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LouuLou · 22/05/2026 09:29

Hillarious · 22/05/2026 08:30

I think we’re all quite aware of this now.

I was answering someone's question. Feel free to scroll past.

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LouuLou · 22/05/2026 09:30

Anonanonanonagain · 22/05/2026 08:46

If this really is solely his decision I wonder how long it will be before you are called to meet with him to discuss the possibility of going back to the way things used to be. He is clearly seeing already that this new set up does not suit his own life. How are you responding when he moans about things?

I don't respond.

Unless I am specifically asked, I am going along with his way of doing things.

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LouuLou · 22/05/2026 09:30

CliantheLang · 22/05/2026 09:10

How I imagine the OP responding.

Purrrrrfect!

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Anonanonanonagain · 22/05/2026 11:04

I guess it is all you can do. He cannot have expected you to still log in early to do the early work and commute to the office at the same time. Hopefully he sees the error of his ways soon enough. I think we have all been that soldier, I know I have been at least and my extra work was almost expected at one point. The shock when one year I took a full two solid weeks leave for a holiday and did not bring the laptop with me was seen as a shock to my company. Bizarre to think back. These days they get what they pay me for and that is it. Its a job not a life support machine after all.

Jom222 · 22/05/2026 15:52

amazing how many have latched on to OPs free time to conclude she's lazy and needs reining in LOL.

The company I work for would appear many of us have too much free time too. But the employer knows that and intends it. They want people available to put on projects at the last moment as needed, they also don't want us overloaded at busy times. Essentially its cheaper to 'overpay' ie have a few extra employees on paper than to pay to correct mistakes bc one is overloaded. We work in finance and one banking error could cost a lot. So we have 5 in a dept that another company could make do with 3. But we rarely have mistakes, everyone is hardworking, accurate and ready to spring into action. My busy days are just that-busy, not frantic. My boss is more concerned my work is right than fast and details matter very much.

Smart companies in some sectors do this routinely, people deciding that their employer wouldn't do it that way are showing their own ignorance. Everything's not a job shop or factory where every second is tracked and evaluated, rather total work is studied and that heavily includes accuracy etc.

NDFB · 23/05/2026 18:29

Okay do what you want to do, but drop the aggressive attitude and the moral high ground stance. You signed a contract. All that's being asked of you is to fulfill that. Why the defensive drama posture?

LouuLou · 23/05/2026 19:03

NDFB · 23/05/2026 18:29

Okay do what you want to do, but drop the aggressive attitude and the moral high ground stance. You signed a contract. All that's being asked of you is to fulfill that. Why the defensive drama posture?

Why the defensive drama posture?

Is sticking to the set hours a defensive drama posture?

Wow.

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NoCommentingFromNowOn · 24/05/2026 15:02

I don’t see any defensive drama posture, I see a slightly bemused woman wondering why this is being done, and pointing out the many flaws of the plan.

OP, are you in the office mon weds fri this week? Keep us updated please!

NotAnotherScarf · 24/05/2026 15:07

LouuLou · 18/05/2026 07:32

Thank you for seeing the bigger picture. I was careful to agree straightaway when my manager suggested trying the new way. That is a good idea about batting back queries. Just had a quick look at email and several things have already cropped up. For one it will be too late to answer after 9. I will not start until 9 anymore.

I will keep a log of what I am doing in case it gets questioned. Thank you.

Sorry for not getting back sooner.

The log is vital should they look to disciplinary action because you're not so productive. I have experience of too many bad bosses from the 20 years I spent in the corporate world. I am 99% sure they won't but having a record come review time will also be useful.

LouuLou · 24/05/2026 15:09

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 24/05/2026 15:02

I don’t see any defensive drama posture, I see a slightly bemused woman wondering why this is being done, and pointing out the many flaws of the plan.

OP, are you in the office mon weds fri this week? Keep us updated please!

Thank you!

I have booked next week off work but I will be doing the set 3 days in the week after.

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letmebetheone · 27/05/2026 18:40

Your manager appreciated you dealing with the early morning stuff and does not like having to do it himself.

Yet he has stopped you doing it and made life more difficult for himself.

Ask yourself why he would do that. Why, if you are so good at your job would they be willing to rock the boat and piss you off?

Every company has at least one employee that thinks they know better than management. Your posts do have a lot of 'Ha, I will show them' attitude the way you speak about your manager.

You working from home and supposedly doing your own work, your managers work and making yourself indispensable clearly is not what the company want.
If your way of working was a benefit to the company they would not be changing things.

LouuLou · 27/05/2026 18:43

letmebetheone · 27/05/2026 18:40

Your manager appreciated you dealing with the early morning stuff and does not like having to do it himself.

Yet he has stopped you doing it and made life more difficult for himself.

Ask yourself why he would do that. Why, if you are so good at your job would they be willing to rock the boat and piss you off?

Every company has at least one employee that thinks they know better than management. Your posts do have a lot of 'Ha, I will show them' attitude the way you speak about your manager.

You working from home and supposedly doing your own work, your managers work and making yourself indispensable clearly is not what the company want.
If your way of working was a benefit to the company they would not be changing things.

So what should I do then?

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