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to stop extra flexibility after my manager imposed office hours?

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LouuLou · 15/05/2026 13:02

I work in a small office team of five people. I’m the only full-time member of staff, everyone else is part time. We had a new manager start last year and honestly, up until now, things have been really good. We get on well, I like his management style and he has always said he cared more about people getting the work done than clock-watching.

I work very hard. I consistently hit targets, usually go beyond what is expected, and I won an achievement award last month. I also work very flexibly. I regularly start work at 7am, answer emails early, and will often still be available after 6pm. I usually work through lunch too. That flexibility has suited both the organisation and me because it means things get done quickly and I can also fit other parts of life around work. It is one of the things I am regularly complimented on - how quick I get tasks done.

Out of nowhere, he has now announced that I have to be physically in the office 9–5 three days a week. No actual problem has been identified, no concerns raised about my performance, no suggestion that work isn’t getting done. The explanation was basically that he “wants to try something different”.

Fine. He is the manager and he is entitled to set office hours if he wants to. I’m not arguing with that part.

But my feeling is that if he now wants strict contracted hours and presenteeism, then that is exactly what he will get. I no longer see the point in starting at 7am, replying to messages before work, being available into the evening or working through lunch. I’m planning to work my contracted hours, take a proper hour lunch break and log off at the end of the day.

I know this will reduce the amount I actually get done overall. But another part of me thinks flexibility works both ways. If management removes trust and autonomy, they can’t really expect staff to continue giving unpaid goodwill on top.

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EmpressaurusKitty · Today 18:15

Is it definitely up to him though?

We’re having to go in more often but it’s been made clear that the decision’s come from the top.

LouuLou · Today 18:48

EmpressaurusKitty · Today 18:15

Is it definitely up to him though?

We’re having to go in more often but it’s been made clear that the decision’s come from the top.

It s his choice. There are people in other teams who come in once a month.

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TangerineUnicorn · Today 18:59

I wonder if manager’s chain of command has implemented ActiveTrak software. If they have then the work behaviour you describe would be flagged and tbh working quickly at a task would be punished by ActiveTrak reports, as would scheduling emails and then doing personal stuff. Seeing my own and cross company reports was very interesting because people who I would consider to be effective can look bad for scheduling work to be delivered as they’re browsing the TUI website or watching videos on YouTube or doing a Tesco order (none of which I’m accusing you of because I think people are mad to do that sort of thing on work laptops). When my work implemented it those who were behaving like this started to come under a lot of scrutiny.

LouuLou · Today 19:06

TangerineUnicorn · Today 18:59

I wonder if manager’s chain of command has implemented ActiveTrak software. If they have then the work behaviour you describe would be flagged and tbh working quickly at a task would be punished by ActiveTrak reports, as would scheduling emails and then doing personal stuff. Seeing my own and cross company reports was very interesting because people who I would consider to be effective can look bad for scheduling work to be delivered as they’re browsing the TUI website or watching videos on YouTube or doing a Tesco order (none of which I’m accusing you of because I think people are mad to do that sort of thing on work laptops). When my work implemented it those who were behaving like this started to come under a lot of scrutiny.

I haven't heard of that software. If that has been implemented, how does it help with bringing me into the office more? My appraisal was very positive last month.

I usually have my iPad with me so look on there if I want to browse and shop.

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TangerineUnicorn · Today 19:16

LouuLou · Today 19:06

I haven't heard of that software. If that has been implemented, how does it help with bringing me into the office more? My appraisal was very positive last month.

I usually have my iPad with me so look on there if I want to browse and shop.

Colleagues who were flagged came under scrutiny and in my experience were asked to come into the office more or had extra eyes on them. This would fit that model coming out of the blue. I’m not defending it as there’s clearly a large element of presenteeism rewarded for people who are slow workers but who just do their emails and teams calls and look at work-related websites. The software also reports on effectiveness at home vs the office. One well-regarded colleague was looked at in a new light when it turned out he was watching rugby matches for swathes of the day on YouTube. I thought well he might have two screens going but my boss didn’t take that attitude at all. Web activity is divided into work-related and not and that’s part of the (pretty complex and detailed) behavioural reporting. I’d be scrupulous now at work and home in not doing your shopping/banking/mums netting on work computer. They could see this for example 🙈

LouuLou · Today 19:37

TangerineUnicorn · Today 19:16

Colleagues who were flagged came under scrutiny and in my experience were asked to come into the office more or had extra eyes on them. This would fit that model coming out of the blue. I’m not defending it as there’s clearly a large element of presenteeism rewarded for people who are slow workers but who just do their emails and teams calls and look at work-related websites. The software also reports on effectiveness at home vs the office. One well-regarded colleague was looked at in a new light when it turned out he was watching rugby matches for swathes of the day on YouTube. I thought well he might have two screens going but my boss didn’t take that attitude at all. Web activity is divided into work-related and not and that’s part of the (pretty complex and detailed) behavioural reporting. I’d be scrupulous now at work and home in not doing your shopping/banking/mums netting on work computer. They could see this for example 🙈

That's fine.

I usually have my iPad with me so look on there if I want to browse and shop.

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Doubledenim305 · Today 20:32

If he's complaining about early morning calls and not having breakfast with his kids say, yes this situation doesn't work as well for me either. I was happy the way it was and you changed it which is fine because you are the boss (Derek 😆), but if you want breakfast with the kids etc etc then we can go back to how it was. It really is up to you.
I think that would give him the opportunity to back track on his decision or stop complaining because it's a situation of his own engineering.
Oh Derek 🙃

Preppyprepper · Today 20:43

There is also software that can detect a mouse jiggler, for example. Using which is generally seen as misconduct

FunMustard · Today 23:39

I can't believe this thread is still rumbling on.

Maybe I'm just too literal, but if the business wants me in the office, as irritating as that is, I just have to do it because I work for a company not for myself. Sure it's nice to be able to manage your own hours etc., but sometimes you just have to suck it up that management want something that you don't want.

I've never been the person to work outside of my own hours really - apart from last year which really did me no favours at all - so I can't relate to that. I did once do some live QA of overnight staff but I absolutely took that time back in lieu!

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