AIBU to compare pro-Palestine and Tommy Robinson-led protests? Both involve hatred antisemitism or racism and both end up in trouble. Two cheeks of the same ass as I've heard on here before!

[HeyHoHenryHippy]

Pro-Palestine and Tommy Robinson-led protests this Saturday with yet again thousands of officers having to spend the day controling these protests. Surely there is a better way. Static protest or once a month for Gaza? I think Tommy's lot isn't weekly like the Gaza lot.

Antisemitism is a major problem and general racism also up. Armoured vehicles are needed now with the first time in 15 years to use them. Terror incidents have risen yet what have either of these 'protests' achieved apart from further divisions!

Stick them in separate areas and tell them to stand with their various placards and keep them there. They ave their virtue signalling and hate fuelled moments but stop annoying the rest of us and keep the costs down - it's costing millions of pounds.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15816041/Met-Police-call-armoured-cars-London-braces-day-pro-Palestine-Tommy-Robinson-led-protests.html

So? Do you agree with pp that everyone who took park in that march should be arrested and jailed for three years?

Part of the reason that the policing Bill was so high last week was that there were pro Palestine marches. Unite the Kingdom marching. There were also counter protests and it was the FA Cup final

I don't live in London. I live in Scotland. I have marched for Palestine but I don't shout hate chants. I don't harass people. I have never been in trouble on a march in my life. And you've referred to someone like me as a racist and an anti semite and a troublemaker. You have absolutely no evidence to back that statement up

In my view asylum seekers have a right to live their lives without fear - that's why the EDL and the SDL came to my town intimidating people. They had to get a police escort to and from the train station. Shops had to close. They threw smoke bombs at us - because some asylum seekers got flats in the town that no one else wanted

The Glasgow pro Palestine marches do not go past peoples homes. They start and finish in the city centre nowhere near any residential area.

What do you mean so? Does Islamophobia not concern you?

Your post at 09.30 today: "Parading swastikas and denigrating the Holocaust memories have been the forte of pro Palestine marches".

Your post at 09.17 today: "Now here's the thing: the prevailing violence seen at the Palestinian marches still goes on after 3 years".

I have no idea what "holocaust inversion" means. Could you explain?

What I mean is: Do you think everyone on that march should be arrested and jailed? Because that’s what pp said.
You replied to a post that was responding to that suggestion.

You seem very emotionally invested.

I responded specifically to the suggestion about the UTC march being peaceful - not the comment about being thrown in jail. The answer is no. I don't believe that people should be thrown in jail for attending a march.

We're still allowed to disagree with Islam. The APPG definition wasn't made into law luckily. That was the definition that meant local authorities and police etc failed thousands of abused girls predominantly in our northern towns.

You're actually calling me a holocaust denier because I'm pro Palestine. That's beyond the pale. Your posts are completely offensive

They didn’t say the march was completely peaceful, just that it was 'full of perfectly ordinary law-abiding citizens'.
Same thing others say about pro-Palestine marches.

Im not sure why you're taking this so personally. Have I said you, in particular, are anti-semitic? You seem to be projecting here.

No one is calling you a holocaust denier. You are taking this debate very personally but none of the comments are being directed at you personally.

They are tagging offensive posts and
Questionable propaganda statements

Its not about being too invested
Its not about taking things personally
it’s not about finding offence where none exists

It does

All such comments btw are an attempt to demean in themselves.

This thread has got far worse than usual !

You keep popping up making claims that aren't true.

I started this thread and have never called you racist. Then you said you were going to report the thread because 'it's racist'. It discusses different marches and the trouble from them both, the costs, the disruption etc.

I still believe, and have repeated several times, that I don't think protests should be banned, just static, to save money, minimise problems caused to others who aren't interested in either of the protests, and make it easier for police to arrest people on either protest who are antisemitic/racist. You don't agree with that, no problem, different opinion.

I'm going to say this one more time. I have never been on a pro Palestine march that has called for the beheading of Jews. I am not a holocaust denier. I have never said that Tommy Robinson should be shot. I have nothing to do with the mayor of London. I live in a town almost 20 miles from Glasgow

If you don't like that I support Palestine that's up to you but one thing you're not going to refer to me is a Jew hater or a holocaust denier on an open forum just because I support Palestine.

Have I actually said anywhere on this thread that I support anyone being raped?

If you think I would support anyone being raped you know nothing about me

I know how to conduct myself in public on any political march I go to and if I did hear anyone calling for Jews to be beheaded. I would challenge it

You're also speaking to someone who got credible death threats from a group of people online who found my address and posted photos of my house in the name of" politics". I had to see police 7 times in 2019 - so I'm hardly going to dish that out to other people

I had a breakdown over it and I have ptsd - so no. I don't call for anyone to be harmed on any level. I haven't at any point in my life. I'm not like that.

Why do you keep replying to people as if they were talking specifically about you?

With the greatest respect if anyone has specifically called you things, report the post.

You keep making random claims against various people. Maybe take a minute out? Are you attempting to shut topics down you don't like, or genuinely misunderstanding? For clarity again, some on the TR and PP protests are clearly racist/antisemitic.

Thankyou. Re do I judge all marches? Mostly yes, if it is something that involves political viewpoints which cannot be resolved as everyone has different viewpoints and ideas of what is right or wrong so I think its a big pointless waste of time. I also don't understand why everyone in England is so obsessed with the Palestine and Israel conflict? I mean really, what is going to be changed because some hippy is waving a flag about in england? Surely there are some local issues to get involved in? Or different hobbies that done promote this hatred amongst uk civilians (while wasting police resources)

You've gone through a lot which maybe explains why you think people on this thread are attacking you personally when in fact they are not. If you think anyone is then you should report the post (I remember you said you got one post deleted yesterday).

If I saw someone call you a Jew hater or a holocaust denier then I would report it too because I haven't seen that from you. But I also haven't seen anyone on this thread accuse you of those things either, since I joined it.

People are just making general points, they are not aimed at you just because you are someone who attends marches peacefully. Loads of people support Palestine on Mumsnet (more than support Israel) and we have these sort of debates daily.

It's quite clear on here that if you support Palestine you'll just be accused of the things that were levelled at me earlier on in this thread. My posts weren't classically derailing either. I made it very clear why I support Palestine. I don't march in London. I march in Glasgow. None of the things that have been attributed to pro Palestine marches happened at any of the marches I have been on. I don't hate Jews on any level. I have no reason to.

Apparently I'm a racist too - news to me. My family spent years supporting asylum seekers. Going to their trials. She went as far as France to help people. She took people in. Supported them financially when they had nothing. Any of you on here calling me a holocaust denier done the same?

How does supporting a Palestinian asylum seeker and what he went through make me racist exactly? As opposed to supporting an asylum seeker from other countries - which my family have also done.

What I have been through has nothing to do with how I feel about this thread. There's a post further up the thread that was in direct response to me talking about genocide in Palestine that referred to pro Palestine activists wanting to shoot Tommy Robinson and behead Jews and being Holocaust deniers - and more or less indicated that I was ok with the actions of Hamas on October 7. And ended up saying "you're having a laugh".

Why say that to someone just because they support Palestine? The very strong suggestion on that post was that that was what I was supporting - by going to a march or being pro Palestine.

The title of the thread says it all really. Racist. Hatred. Anti semitic and troublemakers. Quite sad really in my view

Thanks for the thread @HeyHoHenryHippy 😀 if there was a problem with it, it would have been pulled. You've engendered an interesting debate.

Agreed it has been an interesting discussion despite being a controversial subject.

Nothing 'ordinary about going to a hate march and all of them deserve to be behind bars and have their bank accounts frozen while they are investigated for foreign payments.

We should not be tolerant of intolerance. Nationalism should be illegal.

Do you have a definition of "holocaust inversion". Since you mentioned it, you obviouy think it's significant.

I think we can take it as a given, at this stage, that you cannot provide anything that backs up your assertions that pro-Palestine marches are characterised by violence, the wielding of Swastikas and the defacing of Holocaust memorials. Perhaps you'd do the decent thing and acknowledge that, and/or ask for your posts where those claims were made to be deleted.