AIBU to compare pro-Palestine and Tommy Robinson-led protests? Both involve hatred antisemitism or racism and both end up in trouble. Two cheeks of the same ass as I've heard on here before!

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Pro-Palestine and Tommy Robinson-led protests this Saturday with yet again thousands of officers having to spend the day controling these protests. Surely there is a better way. Static protest or once a month for Gaza? I think Tommy's lot isn't weekly like the Gaza lot.

Antisemitism is a major problem and general racism also up. Armoured vehicles are needed now with the first time in 15 years to use them. Terror incidents have risen yet what have either of these 'protests' achieved apart from further divisions!

Stick them in separate areas and tell them to stand with their various placards and keep them there. They ave their virtue signalling and hate fuelled moments but stop annoying the rest of us and keep the costs down - it's costing millions of pounds.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15816041/Met-Police-call-armoured-cars-London-braces-day-pro-Palestine-Tommy-Robinson-led-protests.html

Yes all of them. There is no excuse for ignorance.

Indeed. As this thread shows.

I'm long past the age where I'm bothered by an anonymous internet user shrieking that I must have "an agenda" because I've asked for something that gives weight to their various claims.

"Did you miss the clip calling for Jews to be beheaded while shouting free Palestine?" - post it, please. Because, I didn't spend Saturday watching live feeds from the marches, and that clip did not feature in any of the reporting, TV or print, that I've seen/read.

"Why would I waste my time presenting you with specific links that only the blind aren't aware if its existence" - you made various claims. I'd assume you have an interest in proving that they're true. And if true, it would seem that "only the blind" includes large sections of the UK and international press.

"You find it hard to believe about Swastikas even though Jews have been told Hitler was right, hissing sounds replicating the gas Chambers have been made at Jews" -
A swastika is a very clearly defined, recognisable object. I don't find it hard to believe people carry them. What I asked for is something that backs up your assertion that pro-Palestine marches in London are characterised by people - numbers of people - carrying them. Since the subject of this thread is marches - either pro-Palestine, or organised by Stephen Yaxley Lennon - in London and whether they should be allowed, not the very many examples from very many locations over very many years of anti-Semitic behaviour at very differing contexts. You are free to start a thread if that's what you want to discuss.

I think somewhere like Iran might be to your liking.

Lol! Little Miss Authoritarian!

If antisemitism disgusts you, I am sure your being told you must have an agenda pales into insignificance i am glad it doesn't offend you.

You made claims about the behaviour of marchers at pro-Palestine marches. I've asked for data, information to back up those claims. Do you have it.

"terrorism and hate speech doesn't just contain itself to every Saturday." No, it doesn't. But that doesn't back up the specific claims you made about the behaviour of marchers at pro-Palestine marches in London. So, do you have that information?

I don't intend to keep repeating myself.

Still waiting for data, verified information, that backs up your claims about the behaviour of pro-Palestine marchers in London. Could you provide it, please.

ETA: your claims are that pro-Palestine marches are characterised by violence, open display of Swastikas and defacing of Holocaust memorials.

Good.

Do you have the data to back up the specific clains you made about the behaviour of pro- Palestine marchers in London?

Think you're badgering that poster now.

They have stated their position & are under no obligation to oblige with your requests. If you don't believe what they say so be it.

Try educating yourself on the paradox of tolerance. The law should have no mercy for the type of people who wish to dismantle our successful multicultural society with their hate.

That's not how democratic countries work - people can't be arrested and thrown in jail for at least 3 years just for attending a demonstration.

Maybe in Iran - in fact they could be beaten up or murdered there for protesting against the IRGC - but not in the UK!

People have joined in anti semitic chants in the pro Palestine marches and not even been arrested let alone thrown in jail for 3 years for inciting hate.

For me personally, any march that has people chanting 'from the river...' or 'globalise the intifada' signs and chants or 'zios in the ground' nonsense is deeply offensive and problematic. Which covers 99% of the ones in my city. And yes I've seen them and yes they happen just outside my workplace and yes I am aware there's a whole discussion about other meanings of the word 'intifada' and what people might mean by 'throw a country into the sea and give someone else their country' that isn't exactly what they are saying. But for 'me' and for 'my friends and family I speak to about this' I know exactly what these people mean.

The 'student intifada' at my place of work (a university) has on their socials an explanation of what they mean by the hideous 'river to the sea' chanting. They foresee all Jewish people living in Israel will be deported 'back' to Europe. Any discussion on what that could possibly mean for the million of non-European Jews is shut down immediately as that doesn't fit their narrative. Any discussion about the fact that a major catalyst for most of these Jewish families being in Israel in the first place is that they were kicked out of Germany or Russia or Iran or Afghanistan or Portugal or wherever over the last several hundred years is also shut down immediately. So where exactly these monsters picture all these millions of Jews ending up is horrifying to consider.

I make zero apologies for being a pragmatic Zionist. That is not to be mistaken for thinking Netanyahu is a hero. I think antisemitism is cyclical and in times where it's peaking, it's of pivotal importance that Jewish people have a last resort. The times my family had before this last resort were infinitely worse than how it feels in the last 3 generations. I know that I have an option if things continue down this path. It's not a great option (for us) and it's not exactly what I'd want, but anything is better than watching my children starving in an attic or marching off to wherever the antisemites are picturing for us without taking a chance at preserving our lives.

I can see through the badgering. Again, I question their motives.thanks anyway 😊

You aren’t repeating yourself at all because
you haven’t been able to provide any evidence to back up propaganda style comments that you have made.

Others have provided info but as the pp noted they don’t back up your previous comment ….

inflammatory language about the nature of demonstrations breeds hate

As you don’t have any evidence that
’characterises’ The pro Palestinian marches as you stated
and Nothing online backs that up
Your statement was inflammatory, inaccurate and spreads division.

You don’t have to provide evidence
but clearly you cant anyway

Badgering? The poster made some specific and serious allegations about the behaviour of people at pro-Palestine marches, and said that the marches are characterised by this behaviour. I asked for data to show the allegations are true - as I do, irl, when someone makes a claim about something.

Responding to the statement made

‘ETA: your claims are that pro-Palestine marches are characterised by violence, open display of Swastikas and defacing of Holocaust memorials.’

Heres wiki report based on
police reports and the Times articles

Pro-Palestinian marches in the UK are not inherently characterised by violence, swastikas, or the destruction of memorials.

While the vast majority of participants are peaceful, there have been highly publicised , isolated incidents of antisemitism, offensive placards, and clashes that have drawn widespread condemnation and police intervention.

Violence and Public Order
Arrest rates: The Metropolitan Police have repeatedly stated that, overall, these demonstrations have been largely peaceful. Arrest rates at pro-Palestinian marches have been generally low relative to the massive tens of thousands of attendees.

Disruptions: Violence and disorder have occasionally broken out, but much of this has been tied to confrontations with counter-protesters or splinter groups of agitators attempting to interfere with the march routes. 1, 2, 3, 4]

that’s a no then the marches are not characterised by violence

Carrying the Swastika
Illegality: While displaying a swastika to incite racial hatred is a criminal offence, a small number of isolated individuals have carried placards bearing Nazi symbols or comparing Israeli officials to Nazis.

another no then. The marches are not characterised by Nazi symbolism

Damaging Holocaust Memorials
Preventative protection: There are no widespread reports of these marches actively vandalising or damaging holocaust memorials in the UK.

that’s yet another no then. The marches are not characterised by defacing Holocaust memorials

Hyde Park memorial: During particularly large demonstrations, monuments such as the Hyde Park Holocaust Memorial have been covered with protective tarpaulins. Authorities and park officials have clarified that these were strictly preventative, precautionary measures rather than a response to actual damage. 1, 2, 3, 4]

@SuffolkSun

thats why You’re not getting the evidence
I think the pps agenda is out

Ps
Whilst I’m against badgering people

When a poster makes spurious offensive claims they should be backed up
If They can’t. If they are posting lies and propaganda they should politely take them down.

Oh don't be such a drama lama. The UTC march was full of perfectly ordinary law-abiding citizens citizens fed up with how they are treated by the government - and the one before for that matter.

You're clearly only getting your news from a very narrow section of the MSM.

All these semantics. The central tenet of the Palestinian marches is meant to be about peace. So why are Jews harassed who may be in the vicinity? There remains a huge problem with anti-semitism and it is coming from one quarter. All the barrel scraping isn't going to change that because its been allowed to continue. Good job the leader of the opposition recognises what some so desperately try to disprove.

Absurd. They were giving out Islamophobic flyers at the march. There were 43 arrested

Wasn't the swastika raised by a poster trying to suggest it's the Unite Britain who have a problem with jews? Deny it all you want, holocaust inversion is one of the many tactics antisemitics practice so this constant badgering is nothing other than a destraction. Just as well the Unite rally took place on Saturday. They can't be accused of being the fascists seen booing the Israeli Eurovision song entrant.

I've just had someone say to me on another thread that I "don't give a stuff about Jews" and that I don't care about Jews being affected. The last time I marched for Palestine was 2022

So basically we are now in a situation where if you are pro Palestine you are anti semitic. Racist. You like terrorist groups. All of these things have been said very recently on the boards

As for being two cheeks of the same arse. I marched against the EDL and the SDL when they came to my town. The shops had to close. They threw smoke bombs at us. I don't do that when I go to a march

There's an awful lot of generalising going on here

I've never harassed a Jewish person on a pro Palestine march. I've never chanted death to the IDF

Do you think it's comfortable on these boards stating that you are pro Palestine?

(it isn't). Same with "the left". People are all lumped into one group

Oh and if you say you vote SNP then you get the comments of "men in dresses". Like I got earlier on today

The person who started this thread called someone like me a racist. They also mentioned trouble - I've never caused trouble at any political march in my life.

So why are Jews harassed who may be in the vicinity?

Links please.

There's absolutely no room for debate on this issue. You are just painted as an anti semite, troublemaker and a racist if you support Palestine. I'm none of these things.