AIBU to find drag on mainstream TV disrespectful to women?

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AIBU to think that drag is derogative woman face and unacceptable.

Women are oppressed by men, for example;

• 1 in 4 women will be raped by a man in their lifetime.
• Men generally hold most of the power and wealth, 90% of the ultra-wealthy in the world are men.
• Men are less likely to experience sexual harassment and often have more freedom of movement without fear of violence.
• Men are generally free from unpaid caring roles
• Women are more likely to be objectified by men and valued for their body and youth whereas men are not and this creates a power imbalance.

With this in mind AIBU to think drag on main stream TV such as this 'artist' is totally unacceptable.

He has made fun and a jokes about lactation in grotesque fashion, squeezing cream out of his huge fake tits into a cup and has made fun of pregnancy and wears comedy size 'tits' and 'arse'.

The portrayal of any group's body or bodily functions in a grotesque manner for humour should surely be considered unacceptable, particularly when it mirrors historical patterns of oppression. Shouldn't it?

The link is twitter
Drag Race

For those that don't have twitter I have added some screen shots.

So you're not okay with racism after all, but you are okay with misogyny?

Black people shouldn't be mocked with caricatures acted out by their oppressors, but women should be?

How are we (by which I mean you) justifying this? 🤔

This.

It feels like women don't matter. Men can use womenface and be praised for doing it. It's isn't something to celebrate men with ridiculous cariacatures of women taking the piss out of things they know nothing about eg lactation.

Oh give it a rest FFS

I never said I was ok with it. If people want drag shows to be banned they need to start a petition

It needed to be said as I for one was also confused by your about turn - poster saved me scrolling back

Would you have signed a petition if it was handed to you to get the Black and White Minstrel show off air?

Would you sign a petition to get drag off main stream TV?

I feel like 'start a petition' is a bit over simplified! At the moment, much of society still sees drag as a harmless jolly, just like much of society used to see the minstrel shows in the years long before it was eventually taken off the air.

It takes time, awareness raising, and conversations, in order to enact a change in attitudes.

I hate drag. I’ve always hated it. Even as a child I felt it to be terribly wrong. It’s men making fun of women. They exaggerate sexual characteristics and/ or negatives stereotypes. Even pantomime dames and Lily Savage (as much as I liked Paul O’Grady) made a living from being bitchy, sarcastic, and overly made up. Drag queens, with their fake breasts, miniskirts and heels, and ridiculous hair and make up, are laughing at us, not with us.

Grim. They parade like that in front of children and get away with because it's 'drag', it's a bunch of perverts being perverts.

Maybe your children or their children will look back at your views and be shocked at your dismissive attitude towards women's concerns and your inability to engage as to why it might be offensive and similar to racist shows.

No but The Dick Emery show was steeped in sexism.

Someones dressed as an old man leering over young women, scenes with him dressed as a woman surrounded by school girls in a gym and falling on top them or patting their arses with a wry little pervy look towards the camera.

Grim but typical of the carry on style 'humour' of the 60's and 70's but would not be seen as ok nowadays.

I also think that these older style 'drag' artists or female impersonators back in those times all had elements of portraying an older woman who was desperate for a shag. Pretty misogynistic really, woman left on the shelf needing sex but too old to get it type stuff.

Apparently we're all meant to find objectification and misogyny absolutely hilarious when its gay men doing it for some reason. Not sure why that is.

I am not responsible for what people find offensive and neither are my children. I never said drag was acceptable but there are plenty of shows going on and plenty of women attend them and find them funny. Like I said, if people want it banned they need to join a protest and lobby the government to ban it

A UK drag tour targeted primarily at audiences aged 14 and up is raising safeguarding concerns due to the highly graphic nature of the performer’s usual events.

Insell, 40, is a Canadian national who rose to notoriety after participating in Canada’s Drag Race in 2020 and RuPaul’s Drag Race: UK Versus the World in 2022. He utilizes multiple drag personas as part of his acts, many of which will reportedly be seen at the 14+ events if the event poster is any indication.

Some of Insell’s various personas appear in the video, including Casper the Baloney Ghost and his signature drag character, which utilizes a head-to-toe prosthetic “female body,” complete with comically large breasts. In a photo of the suit posted to social media earlier this year, the suit is also seen to have a faux-vulva.

from 2023

why do we need the govt need to ban it

im hearing you as very dismissive - it’s all in a neat box - well it isn’t - it’s complex

society need to reject it

as we already said women attend because they have internalised the mysogeny - don’t know why you felt the need to repeat that

It’s a way to sneak in the agenda - bbc so guilty of this - heterosexual men can’t say it in public anymore - same with drag queens sending up women

because it’s a gay man it can’t be questioned

I found Paul Grady etc just as offensive and all the other “potentially acceptable” others sending up women

they are not dressed as normal women they are like gross characatures - we wouldn’t accept that in a cartoon

but it can be questioned, it is being questioned right here in this thread as we speak, it has been questioned for decades. No one is stopping anyone from saying they don't like drag.

It’s literally called ‘drag race’
its on late at night
its about drag queens

It’s blackface for women. An exaggerated version of everything they despise about us.

Whatever. It's misogyny, BTW, not mysogeny.
If you're going to be insulting, at least spell it right.

Yes agreed.

Lily Savage was just another example of a man impersonating a woman and resorting to making jokes about issues with 'used' female anatomy.

For example
Jokes about Lily being a surrogate and then continuing into a diatribe about how 'she'd' had 18 babies for lesbian couples in three years. And talking about still having a womb and due to so many babies they just 'shot out' and had to her pelvic floor laminated.....

Then going on about walking in the cold and her nipples being like bullets and so on and so on.
Jokes about rohypnol etc....referring to women as mutton

All in one interview.

That's correct. Thanks.

I can’t spell very well but you knew very well what I meant

there was no rudeness in the post - just a suggested answer to your questions

Visual comedy has always been steeped in misogyny.

Les Dawson, dressed as a middle-aged woman, gurning over a garden fence, hoiking up one fake boob as he slags off someone.
Benny Hill chasing scantily clad young women around.
Kenny Everett, dressed as a woman, crossing and uncrossing his legs, wearing massive fake boobs.
The Two Ronnies - about 50% of what they did was misogynistic.
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