Angela Raynor still doesnt get it.

[ThisDandyWriter]

I’ve just read Angela’s Raynor’s statement about why Labour did so badly and what they need to do to change….aibu to think SHE STILL DOESNT GET IT!! Nothing mentioned about welfare, nothing mentioned about immigration-these are 2 subjects most talked about as the reasons why people didn’t vote for Labour.
she might not like it-but id they want to stay in power, they MUST tackle these subjects and not just ignore them because they dint fit her narrative.

What about migration that is detrimental to the native population?

Think about the trainees in the health services who can't get jobs because overseas people are employed preferentially.

The rise in rents due to demand.
The true cost of low level migration.
Pressure on overstretched services.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/05/06/nearly-one-and-half-million-migrants-on-benefits/ Government figures reveal almost one in six Universal Credit claimants is not a British citizen

So let's accept there are low paid jobs and high unemployment in this country. We can resolve that first before we import anyone else.

Let's throw bad people out and stop having legal aid fund people being able to stay.

I won't post the chicken nuggets story or any of the elderly sick parents stories that show how broken our system is.

That's nothing to do with your statement that I responded to. For the sake of clarity I was disputing your statement that people had no problems with legal immigration. There are plenty of people who want to see anyone who isn't white and English forced out.

True, although the other reason not government is likely to attempt this is that it is a major project. Same as reform of the NHS. Unlikely to be completed during a single term.

The pp was talking about legal migration, so policies pre GE.

It really is sad isn't it? The level of division here is truly shocking. It isn't the welcoming country that I want to live in.

The irony is that those people complaining about the colour of people serving them are possibly the same ones who wouldn't take a hospitality job as it is beneath them. A generalisation I know, but one formed of personal experience.

There are plenty of people like that caller about unfortunately.

I think it is more Tory votes going to Reform that they should worry about.

How many right wing voters voted for Tory, believing that Reform weren't really going to get anywhere, or to keep Labour out still believing that Tory were the biggest right wing party. How many didn't bother to come out because it is a local election?

How many will be galvanised by Reforms latest success to vote for them next time. How many will turn up for the general election who didn't bother this time?

Starmer's response to the drubbing:

Appoint Harriet Harman to government and announce closer ties with the EU.

They are very much not listening!

Is that you Nigel? 😀

Don’t worry, your children have German passports so they will be OK. They can live anywhere in Europe.

Oh my god, that is such an unoriginal comment. I always have a little bet with myself on these sorts of threads to see which page the ‘is that you, …?’ Will be on.

kind of disappointing that it was on page 2 and not page 1.

Actually, I think the majority of reform voters are not racist, but just utterly sick of successive mainstream parties being completely useless. I am not a reform voter by the way, but meet plenty of them.

Consider :
immigration 200,000 and emigration 100,000 = net migration 100,000
immigration 200,000 and emigration 169,000 = net migration 31,000 - a 69% drop

The net migration figure can be misleading. It doesn't necessarily meaning fewer immigrants, it can mean more people leaving the country.

It’s on every thread. Labour aren’t listening, post kicking.

I agree and I am far from being a Nigel supporter. Why do not try to engage rather than say something so childish? May be let us know how is it sustainable to carry on like it is at the moment?

When the country speaks loud and clear, the government in power would be strongly advised to listen.
The biggest problem at the moment is the illegal immigration. We are giving a hero's welcome to undocumented men who have free rein to roam around doing as they please. We dont know who they are and we dont want them here. Its got nothing to do with racism. The legally settled immigrants dont want them here either.
Starmer needs to roll his sleeves up and get it sorted instead of labelling concerned citizens of all ethnicities as far right thugs.
No, we are not far right thugs.
We want our children to be safe

If you make unoriginal posts you can expect unoriginal comments. It was a tongue in cheek remark.

interestingly no comment (from you) on his children applying for German passports post Brexit though.

I’m not racist and actually I didn’t vote reform, but it’s a consideration fir 3 years.

i wsnt to be listened to.

Exactly - so we are losing the people we want to stay here and they are being replaced by illegal immigrants.

Because that wasn’t anything to do with my post?
infact farage or reform or Europe didn’t feature at all.

i was talking about AR and labour not listening to the electorate.

i care about my children, my family, my country. Farage’s children, what they do and what passports they have apparently applied for didn’t even come in my brain until about 3 mins ago.

The thing is, they have done a hell of a lot more about immigration than the conservatives did when Braverman and Jenrick were responsible, so God only knows why anyone thought the answer was to put them back in power. The number of refugees awaiting processing, for example, has gone down massively. By contrast, Reform really has no practical plans that would deal with that whilst keeping essential services running. Really Labour's error lay in part in not making their own achievements clear.

So you don't care if the potential Prime Minister is corrupt? Did you actually mean to say that?

Rayner

Trotting out the “net migration is falling” line is completely meaningless with the context. Who is leaving? Who is arriving? If net migration falling is driven by skilled, educated people leaving, and the people arriving are unskilled, uneducated or worse, then it’s not good, is it? I’m not saying that is the case, but just citing the numbers is half the picture.

The people voting Reform, as far as I can see, are people who are seeing their standards of living fall, their job security fall, their cost of living rise, their ability to get decent housing on an ordinary wage very difficult. Alongside that, like all of us, they see things not working - basic infrastructure. They’ve seen, in their eyes, governments sit back and do nothing.

Labour needs to effectively and robustly tackle those issues and present some form of coherent, positive narrative or vision to win back those voters. There’s no point in trying to out-Reform Reform on immigration.

Two years ago, Labour won a landslide. I don’t believe that in the last two years, everyone has suddenly become racist (the lazy explanation for the results last week). What has happened is a party have rocked up with a charismatic (love him or hate him) style, who offer a convenient scapegoats (immigrants and “wokery”), and present simplistic solutions to complex problems. It’s hardly surprising the totally disenfranchised voters think you know what, I’ll give them a chance.

And I’m not a Reform voter - I think they’d be a disaster.

yeah, fuck your principles and morals and core beliefs. you need to change your pov and party to cater to the anti-muslim, anti-black and self serving of reform voter.

😒

As a lifelong tax payers, we have considered emigration in retirement. We probably won't because DH is rubbish at learning languages and UV intolerant thanks to a prescribed medication. But we've often talked seriously about it, and there would be several options.