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Angela Raynor still doesnt get it.

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ThisDandyWriter · 11/05/2026 08:08

I’ve just read Angela’s Raynor’s statement about why Labour did so badly and what they need to do to change….aibu to think SHE STILL DOESNT GET IT!! Nothing mentioned about welfare, nothing mentioned about immigration-these are 2 subjects most talked about as the reasons why people didn’t vote for Labour.
she might not like it-but id they want to stay in power, they MUST tackle these subjects and not just ignore them because they dint fit her narrative.

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HappiestSleeping · 13/05/2026 23:39

Oh, and I know the quoted expenditure on health care is 345bn, what I mean is the total expenditure including building new hospitals, wages etc.

I believe that every contract the government has for anything new goes over budget in the same way HS2 did. They're never appear to do proper due diligence or have penalties for missing deadlines, going over budget etc. It's truly shocking.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 14/05/2026 09:02

HappiestSleeping · 13/05/2026 20:28

I think that inefficient contracts such as HS2 amount to >200bn.

NHS wastage similar (I don't believe for a moment it is as little as 10bn)

Benefits / winter fuel etc to people who don't need them (they got the cut off wrong, but the principal was correct) etc.

That would save way more than a few billion on immigrants which will already reduce based on the action already taken. The (up to) 40k to leave is to accelerate through the backlog. It is not on offer to new arrivals, just those in the system already. Again an example of trying to clear the backlog.

I think that inefficient contracts such as HS2 amount to >200bn.

What makes you think that? It’s being going for years and they’ve ‘only’ spent £43bn. What time period are you anticipating for this? It’s more helpful to use an annual fibre for comparisons.

NHS wastage similar (I don't believe for a moment it is as little as 10bn)

So you’re saying NHS wastage is also £200bn. The entire NHS budget is £200bn pa so that doesn’t make any sense.
I agree that the £10bn figure seems fairly low but I think doesn’t include what we might normally deem as wastage and excess, like £360mn per year lost through non payment for treatment by foreign visitors, or the increasing sums spent on treating and providing for the far higher rate of severe congenital disability in children born to repeated first cousin marriages (into the £millions per birth) and allegations of increasing amounts of prescription fraud involving families with overseas relatives.

Benefits / winter fuel etc to people who don't need them (they got the cut off wrong, but the principal was correct) etc.

We only spend £311 million in total per year on winter fuel payments so payments to the tiny proportion on higher incomes is not even a drop in this large ocean.

Benefits at £333bn definitely needs cutting back hard but no government will dare because the hard left has a fit of the vapours and screams blue murder every time it is suggested so that’s not going to happen.

So, really, none of the ‘big items’ you suggested should be prioritised will deliver significantly more savings than sorting our immigration problems.

The social and political cost of not dealing with immigration is rapidly growing and threat to take down our Prime Minister. Which is enormously costly in itself.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 14/05/2026 09:10

HappiestSleeping · 13/05/2026 23:39

Oh, and I know the quoted expenditure on health care is 345bn, what I mean is the total expenditure including building new hospitals, wages etc.

I believe that every contract the government has for anything new goes over budget in the same way HS2 did. They're never appear to do proper due diligence or have penalties for missing deadlines, going over budget etc. It's truly shocking.

They're never appear to do proper due diligence or have penalties for missing deadlines, going over budget etc. It's truly shocking.

I agree with that but what is going to change in order to fix that? Successive governments have tried and failed and are met with increasing resistance.

The immigration problem looks relatively simple by comparison and by as I say, the social and political cost is growing. If this government proved that they could sort it properly, Reform would be left with nothing.

UltraHorse · 14/05/2026 11:52

Can't believe if you are labour and don't pay tax you can be found not guilty of doing that She has paid it now.hasnt she so clearly she hadn't paid ?? the thought of Angela being prime minister makes no sense

LeastOfMyWorries · 14/05/2026 11:55

UltraHorse · 14/05/2026 11:52

Can't believe if you are labour and don't pay tax you can be found not guilty of doing that She has paid it now.hasnt she so clearly she hadn't paid ?? the thought of Angela being prime minister makes no sense

Do you know the nuance of the case? Or just the media headlines?

She paid it at basic rate from the off. I didn’t know that being a trustee on her son’s property meant that this counted as a second property for her either, and I work with (although am not) conveyancers.

I also spend time with families with disabled young people and the conflicting financial advice even from professionals is on a level you would not believe, so this hasn’t surprised me at all.

UltraHorse · 14/05/2026 11:59

If she couldn't understand tax rules should she really want to be prime minister If Borris had. said I didn't understand it was birthday cake would that have worked for him

UltraHorse · 14/05/2026 12:02

So now anyone can go to court and say they didn't know the rules if a potential prime minister can can't they

HappiestSleeping · 14/05/2026 15:03

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 14/05/2026 09:10

They're never appear to do proper due diligence or have penalties for missing deadlines, going over budget etc. It's truly shocking.

I agree with that but what is going to change in order to fix that? Successive governments have tried and failed and are met with increasing resistance.

The immigration problem looks relatively simple by comparison and by as I say, the social and political cost is growing. If this government proved that they could sort it properly, Reform would be left with nothing.

Yes, I expanded on my previous post. I was meaning the whole spending on anything related to health care including the build of new hospitals, wages etc.

To expand further, think about every hospital built, and whether it goes over budget by the amount HS2 did. That is money that needs to be found from elsewhere in an unplanned manner. Unplanned expense is always more expensive. Taxes, increased borrowing, or reductions in budgets from other areas. Then think about the layers of inefficient management and the associated pay bill. The amount of waste is staggering. Streeting has done well in the time that he has had, but there is so much more that is possible.

Then expand that into every other area, including the cost of government itself. No current cabinet member has, to my knowledge, ever really run a business, or worked in commercial industry. Mind you, the previous government did have cabinet members who had and they didn't resolve it well either.

I don't believe any of it is simple, including immigration. I think that reducing processing time is the best that can be achieved at the moment, and they're doing that. The preference appears to be reductions in waiting times for operations, and similar, which is much more where I would prefer to see effort expended.

Immigration has been a stir up that has tapped into a visceral feeling amongst the electorate, but it really isn't the problem is is purported or perceived to be, unless you include the fact that we need immigration for economic reasons and the fact that it is reducing is detrimental.

It will be interesting to see how the next few days unravel. Changing PM is not a good thing, but then again Starmer is not exactly covering himself in glory. He's done well on the international stage, but not so much on the domestic one.

PropertyD · 14/05/2026 17:27

LeastOfMyWorries · 14/05/2026 11:55

Do you know the nuance of the case? Or just the media headlines?

She paid it at basic rate from the off. I didn’t know that being a trustee on her son’s property meant that this counted as a second property for her either, and I work with (although am not) conveyancers.

I also spend time with families with disabled young people and the conflicting financial advice even from professionals is on a level you would not believe, so this hasn’t surprised me at all.

She was HOUSING Minister! She had access to the best minds but chose to use a very small firm of conveyancers in Kent which makes no sense. Why did she choose someone like that knowing she had a complex family situation?

Funny how what she paid was £40k light and funny how suddenly today its suddenly paid.

Papyrophile · 14/05/2026 19:44

And as a host of tax and legal experts, including Dan Neidle, have said today: it's a very surprising outcome. Any one else would have been fined for carelessness, in addition to having to find the additional SDLT and the interest.

chaosmaker · Today 07:43

@Philgooglemail the article quoted is exactly how Brexit happened and it is always about sowing division, othering and blame.
People are woefully unaware of how this stuff happens and history often goes round in circles.
Trusting the lies of billionaires that want to take rights away and demote women to support humans is never going to help you - unless you too are a billionaire

chaosmaker · Today 08:25

TorroFerney · 11/05/2026 10:52

But it is. Go on facebook and it’s all about hostels for illegals immigrants. I live in a really nice , middle class affluent area. Pub in the village has a load of spare land (which is sometimes used by a chap to land his helicopter). They were doing some work on it , gets reported in the local Facebook page and the number of, they are turning this (packed all the time gastro pub) pub into a hostel for immigrant posts were amazing.

So much misinformation on antisocial media that then gets shared and amplified like a dismal, damaging game of chinese whispers.

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