Is it ok for men to be in the ladies loos if they need to assist a disabled wife?

[someoneelsesshoes]

Not sure if I’m unreasonable to have felt a bit strange about this.

I went to the ladies toilets in a garden centre and there was a man standing by the sinks. I immediately went to walk out as I thought I’ve mistakenly gone into the men’s. He then said sorry and said he was waiting for his wife. He was next to a zimmer frame which I assume was his wife’s.

I felt really strange about this but went into the loo as usual. I understand maybe his wife really needed help to get on/off the loo so dismissed it. She was still in the stall when I left. But when I left the loo I checked the disabled and it was open and ready to use (though maybe it was occupied when she needed it and it was an emergency).

I haven’t come across this before so not sure if we make this concession for male carers. I know disabled people need to be supported and maybe he’s the only one who can help her.

Except they can. There is no law saying otherwise.

When a male cleaner is in the facility, presumably you wait until he's done.
You can do the same when a male carer is there.

Your opinion and experience is irrelevant to your assertion that it is the law. Because you are wrong

Why not, why do your needs trump those of a disabled 9 year old?

For whoever has been to Bognor Regis, opposite the Pier arcade there is a disgusting horrible toilet, you go down stairs and when you get in, stinks horrible, is brown and all grimey....

The disabled 9 year old has the male toilets or the disabled toilets.

Because I am a woman and these are facilities for women

not boys

use accessible toilets or the gents

So just checking you're also not ok with grown men assisting women or girl children in the ladies? They also need to use the gents if disabled is in use?

Nope

I don't want to be in any room with my young daughter where there are men with their penis out. Also toilets are usually away from main areas and there's not many people around. If you need help they are where you wouldn't be heard.Women's toilets are meant to be safe from men . Mens toilets are less safe as there are men in there. Women have been and are attacked by men in female toilets/areas. I'm not going to put my female child anywhere where there's the slightest chance they will see a strangers penis. Also men peeing by the roadside shouldn't be peeing by the roadside in view of others. Genitals are private. We are taught this from being small children. Adults can legally show other consenting adults their Genitals. That's why there are laws protecting women and children. It's not appropriate.

Yup. Definitely.

But his mum isn’t allowed to take him in to the men’s based on your view and the disabled one may be in use

The law doesn't actually specify that 8 is the cut off for boys using the women's toilets, right? It's the cut off for mixed sex toilets in schools, which isn't the same.

My husband is disabled and there have been occasions I’ve had to stick my head in the gents to check he’s ok when the disabled is busy / there is no nearby disabled. It’s fine OP.

Absolutely not. they should use the disabled.

Well, the law says you are wrong but you can nope all you like

No it doesn't specify that 8 is the cut off at all.

it’s creepy

use the accessible toilet

ask a woman to help

Men stay the fuck out of ladies toilets

Yet you're happy for a disabled woman who might have to pull her pants down and transfer to the toilet with the cubicle door open (due to the large zimmer frame) to do so in the men's toilets?

It's not the law.

There is no law forbidding a man from being in or indeed using a ladies loo (and vice versa).

The EA and the SC ruling clarifying that, which I believe is what you're thinking of, puts a responsibility on organisations to provide single sex toilets. It is legislation which apples to corporate bodies etc.

There is no legislation barring an individual, however, from entering a space for the opposite sex.

he can use the gents as he’s a male

Totally unfair to women and girls. Because of men.

For those with disabled children or even just multiple children of more than 1 sex, I got a radar key for my son which made more disabled toilets available to us, it definitely helped. I had 1 for myself when I'd bowel problems for a few years in the past.

And you use the toilet for your sex

But he can’t go to the toilet without assistance and his mum isn’t allowed to take him in to the gents so how is he supposed to use the gents?

Exactly

all so many justifications for men intruding in women only spaces